Relativistic Energy Equations: When to Use Each

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the appropriate contexts for using the relativistic energy equations, specifically ##E = \gamma mc^2## and ##E^2 = (mc^2)^2 + (pc)^2##. Participants explore the conditions under which each equation is applicable, particularly in relation to particles at rest and moving particles, as well as the implications for massless particles like photons.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about when to use each energy equation, noting that the equation with gamma involves velocity and questioning its applicability for particles at rest.
  • Another participant suggests that the second equation should always be used, as it encompasses the first equation under appropriate conditions.
  • A different viewpoint indicates that the gamma equation can be used for particles at rest since gamma equals 1 at zero velocity, but notes that it is not applicable for light due to undefined values at speed c.
  • One participant agrees with the preference for the second equation, indicating it is more versatile.
  • Another participant proposes using each equation based on the known variables, suggesting the first equation for mass and gamma, and the second for mass and momentum.
  • A later reply discusses the complexity of connecting the second equation with velocity, introducing additional relations that can be used for both massless and massive objects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on which equation is preferable, with multiple competing views on their applicability and utility in different scenarios.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of mass and momentum in the context of these equations, as well as the implications for massless particles. The discussion also highlights the varying degrees of complexity in relating energy to velocity.

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When would I use the equation ##E = \gamma mc^2## and when would I use ##E^2 = (mc^2)^2 + (pc)^2##? I'm a little confused because my textbook calls them both total energy equations. I know that for a particle at rest it has energy ##E=mc^2##. It can't be at rest for the equation ##E = \gamma mc^2## because ##\gamma## involves velocity, so I assume the object has to be moving. So when do I use that equation? And when do I use the ##E^2## one?

Thanks for any help! :)
 
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Kara386 said:
When would I use the equation E=γmc^2 and when would I use E^2 = (mc^2)^2 + (pc)^2
I would recommend always using the second one. It reduces to the first whenever appropriate.
 
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You can use any of them for a particle at rest; gamma is just 1 for zero velocity. The formula with gamma is no good for light because it is undefined for speed c. The energy squared relation is good for all cases, including light. Obviously, m is 0 for light. For m not zero, you can demonstrate algebraically that it is the same as the gamma formula.
 
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Seems like the best thing then is to stick with the ##E^2## equation. Thanks! :)
 
Kara386 said:
When would I use the equation ##E = \gamma mc^2## and when would I use ##E^2 = (mc^2)^2 + (pc)^2##? I'm a little confused because my textbook calls them both total energy equations. I know that for a particle at rest it has energy ##E=mc^2##. It can't be at rest for the equation ##E = \gamma mc^2## because ##\gamma## involves velocity, so I assume the object has to be moving. So when do I use that equation? And when do I use the ##E^2## one?

Thanks for any help! :)
I would use each of the equations when it appears useful. For example, if I knew the mass and gamma factor of a particle and wanted the energy, I would use the first equation.

If I knew the mass and the momentum, I would use the second.
 
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The drawback to using E = \sqrt{p^2 c^2 + m^2 c^4} is that it's harder to connect it with the velocity. That extra information is provided by:

v = \frac{pc^2}{E}

That's valid whether the object is massless or not. Another relation that gives the same answer, but is interesting because it is true both classically and relativistically, is:

v = \frac{dE}{dp}
 
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