When sum of remainders becomes divisible

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of remainders in financial transactions, specifically how accumulated remainders from multiple purchases can eventually lead to the ability to make a purchase without additional funds. Participants explore terminology and mathematical frameworks that could describe this scenario, including modular arithmetic and Diophantine equations.

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  • One participant seeks terminology related to the accumulation of remainders from repeated purchases and their eventual use in making a final purchase.
  • Another participant clarifies the need for consistency in the amount spent on each purchase, suggesting that the remainder can be expressed using modular arithmetic.
  • A third participant introduces the idea that the initial value could be interpreted as a salary, which may affect the equations involved.
  • This participant also claims that there is always a solution to the problem when treating payments as natural numbers and mentions the relevance of Diophantine equations and linear programming as potential strategies.
  • Concerns are raised about the significance of small remainders in financial contexts, particularly when considering decimal values.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the mathematical treatment of the problem, with some suggesting that modular arithmetic and Diophantine equations are relevant, while others highlight the differences in approach based on mathematical versus financial perspectives. No consensus is reached on a singular terminology or framework.

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Participants note that the treatment of payments as natural numbers may influence the outcomes, and the significance of small remainders in financial contexts remains unresolved.

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Hi. I need to sort out some concepts and terminology. I was wondering if there are algorithms and terminology surrounding the following situation.

Lets say I want to buy some object for an amount of money, but the object cost less than the amount of money I have. I will have a remainder of money. Let's say that this purchase on it's own is inefficient, but, once I make more money, keep coming back and buying the same object, eventually I will be able to buy a final object at just with the accumulated remainders of money. I simply delayed making an efficient use of my money till later.

I know that I need just solve for 'x' to find out how many purchases it takes to use the saved up money in:

x*remainder = object price

Then I can also find out how much non-remainder money I had to burn to begin with in order to get the "freebie".


Sooooo, my question is if anyone knows some terminology that explains this scenario or can name concepts in science or finance ...etc. that they see this analysis being used. I simply like putting words onto my math :)

Thank you.
 
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You didn't say whether or not you keep buying the object with the same amount (if you don't, the remainder will be different, so this needs clarification). I will assume you keep buying the object with the same payment for the sake of providing some sort of answer.

If c is the object cost, and p is your payment, then the remainder of this transaction can be expressed as: p mod c

So then, we want to know the number of times we need to accumulate remainders to pay for the object with collected remainders. Let this number be k.

Then,
k[p mod c] >= c

You used an equals sign, but note that k is a natural number. So, if you could pay for the item exactly from remainders, then c / [p mod c] has to be a natural number. That won't always be possible.

So basically, what I think the name / topic you are looking for is Modular Arithmetic
 
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A couple of things.

1. Is the initial value the same as the person's salary? This will change the equations noted in the previous posts.

2. I claim there always is a solution. This depends on the treatment of p as a natural number. Certainly, $1.99 doesn't look like a natural number because of the decimal. But if you convert to cents it is just 199.

There are various strategies. In terms of number theory this can be solved as a simple Diophantine equation. The basis of this is modular arithmetic.

Another strategy is called linear programming. This would involve recursive equations.

I think this problem would be different depending on whether you are approaching it from a pure math background or a financial. If financial, I think there is a question about whether a remainder of a penny or a few cents is significant.
 
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Thanks guys. It seems my question may have been a bit vague, but I DID get a good starting point in the replies for more investigation. Thanks all.
 

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