When to use trigonometric substitutions

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The discussion revolves around the use of trigonometric substitutions in solving integrals, particularly when participants express difficulty in determining when and how to apply these techniques effectively. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and problem-solving strategies related to integration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Aviv, expresses confusion about when to use trigonometric substitutions and mentions a specific integral that required multiple substitutions, leading to a complex result.
  • Another participant suggests an alternative approach but does not provide specific details on the method used.
  • A third participant shares their own experience with a similar problem, indicating that they found integration by parts challenging and hinting at a potential transformation using hyperbolic functions, though they express uncertainty about using those functions.
  • A later reply introduces the concept of using a right triangle to find sin(arctan(x)), suggesting a geometric interpretation as a simpler method for understanding trigonometric substitutions.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to trigonometric substitutions, with multiple competing views and suggestions remaining unresolved.

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Some participants mention specific integrals and transformations without fully resolving the mathematical steps involved, indicating potential limitations in their approaches. There is also a lack of clarity on how to express mathematical functions in the forum format.

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Readers interested in integration techniques, particularly those struggling with trigonometric substitutions or seeking alternative methods for solving integrals.

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Hey,

Recently I studied trigonometric substitution way to solve many forms of Integrals. But since I'm new at this I can't get the intuition when to use what. When it goes out of normal "formulas" , I am really lost.

For example,
dx
S(----------- )
x^2*sqrt(x^2+1)I solved it, but had to use too many formulas for sinarctanx and cosarctgx (which are almost exact). anyway, At first I substituted x=tant, and later on I got:

S sin^-2(t)*cos(t)dt

and therefore i had to substitute z=sint

and in the end what I got is -1/sinarctgx+C.

(I checked it, if we will check what d(-1/sinarctanx) is equal to, you will get the original question, therefore its right)

And that's NOT A BEAUTIFUL FORM :(.

If can someone suggest something better out of his experience, Ill appreciate it.

Thanks in advance,
Aviv
But the way, I realized I can't copy from math-type to here (as expected, but that was my only guess).
Can someone tell me how write the function in more proper way?

Thanks
 
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I came acroos something similar, here's how i got around the problem, i hope this helps:

solveintegral.jpg
 
Rofl, I had this question one exercise ago, and it caused me great pain try doing it by integration by parts.
and now it looks so easy :P

Anyway I can't take any conclusions from your very nice solution to my problem. (since in my sqrt you can't just transform it to a sin/cos/tan), you can however transform it to cosh and sinh with the sinh2+1=cosh^2, But I am really weak with those functions so I am not touching them.

Anyway
Thanks , But it doesn't help me a lot :(

Any other suggestions?
 
Do you know what sin(arctan(x)) is? Try drawing a right triangle, label one side x, the other side 1, then try and find which angle is arctan(x). Finding sin(arctan(x)) becomes pretty simple after that
 

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