When will one car overtake the other? (acceleration,veolcity,time)

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The discussion revolves around a problem in kinematics involving two vehicles: a car accelerating from rest and a truck moving at a constant velocity. The participants are exploring how to determine the distance the car travels before overtaking the truck and the speed of the car at that moment.

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  • Participants discuss the need to equate the distances traveled by both vehicles to find the time at which the car overtakes the truck. They consider various equations of motion and express uncertainty about which equations to use.

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Some participants have suggested calculating the time it takes for the car to overtake the truck and have proposed specific equations for distance based on the vehicles' velocities and accelerations. There is an ongoing exploration of how to rearrange these equations and what values are necessary for the calculations.

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Participants note the challenge of solving for time without knowing the distance traveled by either vehicle, leading to discussions about the resulting quadratic equation and its implications for finding a solution.

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As a traffic light turns green, a waiting car starts with a constant acceleration of 6.0 m/s^2.At the instant the car begins to accelerate, a truck with a constant velcoity of 21 m/s pass in the next lane.

(a) How far will the car travel before it overtakes the truck?
(b) How fast will the car be traveling when it overtakes the truck?

Calculations (a) :

Car:
Vi = 0 m/s
Vf = ?
Acceleration = 6.0 m/s^2

Truck:
Vi = 21 m/s
Vf = 21 m/s
Acceleration = 0 m/s^2


* in order to figure out (a), the deltaD's of both the car and truck must be equal
- I'm not to sure if the deltaT will be the same but it seems as though the intial time is the same

This is all I know so far; I've been trying to sub in equations but nothing seems to work. Could someone please guide me in the right direction. Thanks :)
 
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Can you write down equations for the distance covered by the car and the truck as a function of time?
 
CompuChip said:
Can you write down equations for the distance covered by the car and the truck as a function of time?

The equations I could use are:
deltaD = [(vi + vf)/2] x deltaT
delta D = vi x deltaT + 0.5 x acceleration x deltaT^2
deltaD = vf x deltaT - 0.5 x acceleration x deltaT^2
deltaD = (vf^2 - vi^2)/(2 x acceleration)
 
I suggest first calculating after what time the car overtakes the truck, so find the delta T.

For the truck, you know the average velocity and there is no acceleration. For the car, you know the acceleration and initial velocity. Which two of the four formulas do you think are useful then?
 
CompuChip said:
I suggest first calculating after what time the car overtakes the truck, so find the delta T.

For the truck, you know the average velocity and there is no acceleration. For the car, you know the acceleration and initial velocity. Which two of the four formulas do you think are useful then?

For the truck:
deltaD = [(vi + vf)/2] x deltaT

For the car:
delta D = vi x deltaT + 0.5 x acceleration x deltaT^2

Would I use these two?
 
What is vi for the car?
What equation to you get for deltaT?
What is its solution?
 
CompuChip said:
What is vi for the car?
What equation to you get for deltaT?
What is its solution?

For the truck:
deltaD = [(vi + vf)/2] x deltaT
deltaT = 2deltaD/(vi+vf)

For the car:
delta D = vi x deltaT + 0.5 x acceleration x deltaT^2
how would I rearrange this one?

*** how would I solve for these without knowing the deltaD value?
 
drinkingstraw said:
* in order to figure out (a), the deltaD's of both the car and truck must be equal

You will get a quadratic equation, which should be easy to solve because you already know one solution (the one you don't want).
 
CompuChip said:
You will get a quadratic equation, which should be easy to solve because you already know one solution (the one you don't want).

You said to first solve for time but in order to do so, the equations ask for a value for deltaD. Are you saying I would get a quadratic equation for time?

For the car:
deltaD = 3deltat^2

For the truck:
deltaD = 21deltat

Is this what I was supposed to do?

Next I changed the equations to deltaT = and then I put one equal to the other.

deltaD/3 = deltaD^2/21
= 441/3 = deltaD
= 147 m

Is this correct?
 
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