When Will the Curse of the Medicine Man Wipe Out a Tribe?

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The problem involves a differential equation related to the population dynamics of a tribe affected by a curse. The rate of change of the population P of the second tribe is given as ##-\sqrt{P}## per week, with an initial population of 676 when the curse is pronounced.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the formulation of the differential equation and the correct interpretation of the rate of change. There are attempts to separate variables and integrate, with some participants questioning the initial setup and others exploring different rearrangements of the equation.

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Some participants have identified errors in the initial attempts and are providing corrections. There is ongoing exploration of the correct form of the differential equation, with various interpretations being discussed. Guidance has been offered regarding the proper approach to the problem.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of solving a first-order differential equation without explicit solutions being provided. The discussion reflects a mix of initial misunderstandings and clarifications regarding the mathematical setup.

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Homework Statement


This is a interesting (morbid) problem from Simmons- Calculus with Analytic Geometry.
In a certain barbourous land, two neighbouring tribes have hated one another from time immemorial. Being barbourous peoples, their powers of belief are strong, and a solemn curse pronounced by the medicine man of the first tribe deranges and drives them to murder and suicide. If the rate of change of the population P of the second tribe is ##-\sqrt{P}## per week, and if the population is 676 when the curse is uttered, when will they all be dead?

Intial Conditions
##P(0) = 676##

Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution



##\frac{dP}{dt} = -\sqrt{t} = -t^{1/2} ##.

Separating the differential equation,

##dP = -t^{1/2}dt ##,

Then, by intergrating,

##\int dP = - \int t^{1/2}dt ##

##P = -\frac{2}{3} t^{3/2}+ C ##...(1)

Solving for C at t= (0) or P(0) weeks, when the medicine man uttered his curse,

##676 = -\frac{2}{3} (0)^{3/2} + C ##,
##C = 676##.

Subbing this in (1)

##P = -\frac{2}{3} t^{3/2}+ 676 ## ...(2)

Rearanging (2) for t, when P = 0 because the second tribe are all dead,

##0 = -\frac{2}{3} t^{3/2}+ 676##,
##-676 = -\frac{2}{3} t^{3/2}##,
##t = (\frac{2028}{2})^{2/3}= 100.93 = 101## weeks .

Is this correct. Or have I made a massive error? Seems like they need a more powerful medicine man...
 
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Charge2 said:

Homework Statement


This is a interesting (morbid) problem from Simmons- Calculus with Analytic Geometry.
In a certain barbourous land, two neighbouring tribes have hated one another from time immemorial. Being barbourous peoples, their powers of belief are strong, and a solemn curse pronounced by the medicine man of the first tribe deranges and drives them to murder and suicide. If the rate of change of the population P of the second tribe is ##-\sqrt{P}## per week, and if the population is 676 when the curse is uttered, when will they all be dead?

Intial Conditions
##P(0) = 676##

Homework Equations


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None

The Attempt at a Solution



##\frac{dP}{dt} = -\sqrt{t} = -t^{1/2} ##.

Separating the differential equation,

##dP = -t^{1/2}dt ##,

Then, by intergrating,

##\int dP = - \int t^{1/2}dt ##

##P = -\frac{2}{3} t^{3/2}d+ C ##...(1)

Solving for C at t= (0) or P(0) weeks, when the medicine man uttered his curse,

##676 = -\frac{2}{3} (0)^{3/2} + C ##,
##C = 676##.

Subbing this in (1)

##P = -\frac{2}{3} t^{3/2}+ 676 ## ...(2)

Rearanging (2) for t, when P = 0 because the second tribe are all dead,

##0 = -\frac{2}{3} t^{3/2}d+ 676##,
##-676 = -\frac{2}{3} t^{3/2}##,
##t = (\frac{2028}{2})^{2/3}= 100.93 = 101## weeks .

Is this correct. Or have I made a massive error? Seems like they need a more powerful medicine man...
Yes, you have made a massive error.

According to the OP, "the rate of change of the population P of the second tribe is ##-\sqrt{P}## per week", yet you have set your ODE = ##-\sqrt{t}##. Why is that?
 
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No, the equation you need is \frac{dP}{dt}=-\sqrt{P}
 
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Dang. I had this on my first attempt but it just looked wrong and unfamiliar, so played around with the equation, this was the first attempt,

##\frac{dP}{dt} = -\sqrt{P} = -P^{1/2} ##.
and rearanged it to,

##t = \int \frac{1}{-p^{1/2}}dP = ##.

Is that ok?
 
Charge2 said:
Dang. I had this on my first attempt but it just looked wrong and unfamiliar, so played around with the equation, this was the first attempt,

##\frac{dP}{dt} = -\sqrt{P} = -P^{1/2} ##.
and rearanged it to,

##t = \int \frac{1}{-p^{1/2}}dP = ##.

Is that ok?
Yep, that's what you should start with.
 
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Ok this is not working out,
##t = -2\sqrt{P} + C##
C = 52
##t = -2\sqrt{P} + 52##
##t = 0.##
 
Charge2 said:
t=−2P√+52
This is the correct solution. Substitute P=0 to find t.
 
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52 weeks... not a bad medicine man after all. I on the other hand, need to work more on ode magick.
 

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