When will the sled attain this speed?

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The problem involves a bobsled sliding down an icy track inclined at 29 degrees to the horizontal, with the goal of determining the distance required to reach a speed of 91 km/h from rest, and subsequently the time taken to reach that speed. The context includes considerations of motion under constant acceleration and frictionless conditions.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of distance using the formula d = (v^2)/(2gsin(theta) and the conversion of speed from km/h to m/s. There is an exploration of how to calculate time using distance and average speed, with questions about the correct interpretation of average speed in the context of constant acceleration.

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Some participants have provided insights on calculating average speed and have suggested using the average of initial and final speeds for the time calculation. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of using different speeds in the calculations, and while some progress has been made, there is no explicit consensus on the final approach.

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Participants express concern about the constraints of online homework submissions and the potential for running out of attempts, which influences their willingness to experiment with calculations.

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a bobsled slides down an icy track making of 29 degrees with the horizontal. Assume that the motion is frictionless.
a) how far must the bobsled slide in order to attain a speed of 91 km/h if initially at rest?
I converted km/h to 25.27 m/s and I used d = (v^2)/(2gsin(theta)) where d= 67.1 m, which is correct.

b)when will the speed be attained?
I tried d/v -> 67.1/25.27 and had 2.65 s and 25/67.1
But the answer is wrong. So I am stuck on part b.
 
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Sneakatone said:
a bobsled slides down an icy track making of 29 degrees with the horizontal. Assume that the motion is frictionless.
a) how far must the bobsled slide in order to attain a speed of 91 km/h if initially at rest?
I converted km/h to 25.27 m/s and I used d = (v^2)/(2gsin(theta)) where d= 67.1 m, which is correct.

b)when will the speed be attained?
I tried d/v -> 67.1/25.27 and had 2.65 s and 25/67.1
But the answer is wrong. So I am stuck on part b.

d/v presumably means you want to use distance / time to calculate here. The speed you should be using then is the average speed. You have used the final speed.
 
how would I find average speed based on the data?
 
Sneakatone said:
how would I find average speed based on the data?

For motion under constant acceleration, it is fortunate that the average velocity is simply the average of the initial and final velocities.
Although the path a bobsled takes if far from straight, it is not too wrong to consider that path as straight, and so the direction of velocity is always positive (or negative - depending which way you defined positive) so the average speed is the average of the initial and final speeds.
 
so would initial speed equal zero so the average is just 25.27 m/s /2=12.63 m/s ?
 
Sneakatone said:
so would initial speed equal zero so the average is just 25.27 m/s /2=12.63 m/s ?

You could try that and see if you get the right answer. Be bold and try it!
 
yes! I did 67/12.63 and had around 5 seconds. I didnt try at first because I did not want to run out of chances on the online HW. Thanks a lot!
 

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