When you give a number, what do you say?

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The discussion revolves around the pronunciation of the digit "0" in various contexts, particularly whether to say "zero" or "o." Participants explore this topic from different angles, including personal habits, regional variations, and specific situations such as phone numbers and military usage.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express a preference for saying "o" instead of "zero," particularly in casual contexts or specific phrases like "Agent Double O Seven."
  • Others argue that "zero" is the correct term when referring to numbers to avoid confusion, especially in technical or formal situations.
  • A participant mentions that their pronunciation varies depending on the surrounding numbers, using "zero" for clarity when necessary.
  • Regional differences are noted, with some participants indicating that saying "o" is common in the UK, while others assert that "zero" is preferred in military contexts.
  • There is a discussion about the influence of context, such as telling time or reading coordinates, where "o" may be more acceptable.
  • Some participants reflect on personal experiences of transitioning from "o" to "zero," indicating a shift in their pronunciation habits over time.
  • Humorous remarks are made about the implications of using "o" versus "zero," including references to pop culture and regional dialects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the preferred pronunciation of "0," as multiple competing views remain regarding when to use "o" versus "zero." The discussion reflects a variety of personal preferences and regional influences.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that their pronunciation may depend on specific contexts, such as phone numbers or military terminology, and that there are cultural variations in how "0" is pronounced.

Do you say 'o' or 'zero'?

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    Votes: 21 84.0%

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I was wondering how common this:

If you give a number, such as credit card or phone number, do find you say 'o' instead of zero? I find that I say 'o'.

I got this guy I know in Texas to do my cellphone voice message (people who hear it probably think that is me and I'm American and living in New Zealand); he said zero.
 
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Zero is correct for a number. If the number used both alpha and numeric values (some accounts do that, although not credit cards) it would cause the wrong values to be taken.
 
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Evo said:
Zero is correct for a number.
Yes -- definitely. However, for some reason I say 'o'.
 
"O" is basically slang. I would expect most scientists, engineers and military would say zero (oddly, except when telling time).
 
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I use both depending on the situation and the numbers around the zero. For example, I usually say 820 as eight-two-zero, but 502 as five-oh-two. It's much easier to say "zero" right after "two" than it is after "five" because the positioning of my mouth and tongue after "five" makes it take take more time and effort. If I'm wanting to be clear, I'll slow down and say "zero" in both cases.
 
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Agent Double Zero Seven! Hmmm
 
256bits said:
Agent Double Zero Seven! Hmmm
?:)
 
russ_watters said:
"O" is basically slang. I would expect most scientists, engineers and military would say zero (oddly, except when telling time).
Yeah, that's odd I'd also say 10:02 as 10 O 2, but I assume that comes from the "of the clock" beginnings. you would say it's "ten of the clock", shortened to ten O' clock.
 
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Evo said:
Yeah, that's odd I'd also say 10:02 as 10 O 2, but I assume that comes from the "of the clock" beginnings. you would say it's "ten of the clock", shortened to ten O' clock.

Lies! Lies spread by the administration to suppress the truth! The truth that it's really "on the clock"!

(I really have no idea, I'm just tired)
 
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256bits said:
Agent Double Zero Seven! Hmmm

Actually in Polish we say "agent zero zero siedem".

But in general we never say "O" for a zero.
 
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This is probably a regionalism somewhat as it's very common for people to say "o" in the UK.
 
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Evo said:
Yeah, that's odd I'd also say 10:02 as 10 O 2, but I assume that comes from the "of the clock" beginnings. you would say it's "ten of the clock", shortened to ten O' clock.

I think telling time is the only time I use "O" instead of zero. In that context, it's not ambiguous.
 
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I'll say "O" from now on since it sounds better than zero!
 
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Borek said:
Actually in Polish we say "agent zero zero siedem".

But in general we never say "O" for a zero.
Polish predisposition/bias against using vowels?
 
  • #16
In the UK I would say
  • 0 within a string of digits, usually pronounced "o", sometimes "zero"
  • 0 on its own, usually "zero", never "o", except...
    • subscript, as in [itex]x_0[/itex], usually "nought" (= "naught")
      • ...except [itex]\aleph_0[/itex] is "aleph null" for some reason
    • in football (soccer), 0 is "nil"
    • in tennis, 0 is "love"
    • in cricket, 0 is "a duck"
(And, of course, computer programmers may pronounce 0 as Ø, when they aren't celebrating Christmas at Halloween.)
 
  • #17
Depends on the situation. In the Canadian military we said '0' when reading coordinates.

By the way it's zed eee ar o...not zee eee ar o
 
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tom aaron said:
Depends on the situation. In the Canadian military we said '0' when reading coordinates.
I had the Impression that the use of 'oh' originated in the military, civilians used to say 'naught'. ?

Edit: naught? nought?

DrGreg said:
In the UK I would say
  • 0 within a string of digits, usually pronounced "o",
I say that too - in the UK.
Except when trying to converse with an Indian call centre. (Do you have those in the U.S. or Canada? - if you do you will know why I then say zero. :oldbiggrin:)
 
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epenguin said:
I had the Impression that the use of 'oh' originated in the military, civilians used to say 'naught'. ?

Only if they were Old Timers, or Down Easters from Maine or someplace like that.

I say that too - in the UK.
Except when trying to converse with an Indian call centre. (Do you have those in the U.S. or Canada? - if you do you will know why I then say zero. :oldbiggrin:)

Our Indian call centers in the States are in India, where they belong. :wink: :biggrin:
 
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lisab said:
I think telling time is the only time I use "O" instead of zero. In that context, it's not ambiguous.

How do you say highway 101? (you live in California, right?) Never heard anyone saying "one hundred and one" or "one zero one".
 
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SteamKing said:
Only if they were Old Timers, or Down Easters from Maine or someplace like that.
Our Indian call centers in the States are in India, where they belong. :wink: :biggrin:

But in the Old Times everybody was an Old Timer.
Our Indian call centres in the UK are in India too but we have them in the UK, on the phone.
 
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jobyts said:
How do you say highway 101? (you live in California, right?) Never heard anyone saying "one hundred and one" or "one zero one".
Ah, that's a good one. Odd that sometimes it's acceptable to use the letter O to mean the number zero.
 
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Evo said:
Ah, that's a good one. Odd that sometimes it's acceptable to use the letter O to mean the number zero.
I live in area code "801" and "385", with 10 digit dialing. Of course with a phone number, it is a number, but eight-oh-one is what I say, and what everyone says.

Likewise, Zip-codes. I'm in eight-four-one-oh-three. Someone might be in nine-oh-two-one-oh (Beverly Hills 90210).

I think for clarity, I say "Zero". But if the context is clear, and certainly, with 10-digit dialing, it is 10 numbers ... I use "oh". My cell phone has two zeroes in a row, and I always say "zero zero four two" (numbers changed for paranoia). "Oh, Oh" would be less clear.
 
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  • #25
Presently I say almost exclusively "zero," except for special exceptions like 007 or Highway 101.

But I grew up saying "o". I had to put some effort during my adolescence to ween myself off of saying "o" when I really meant zero.

My mom still says "o" and when I repeat a number back to her replacing the "o"s with "zero"s she gets confused.

StevieTNZ said:
I got this guy I know in Texas to do my cellphone voice message (people who hear it probably think that is me and I'm American and living in New Zealand); he said zero.

votingmachine said:
I live in area code "801" and "385", with 10 digit dialing. Of course with a phone number, it is a number, but eight-oh-one is what I say, and what everyone says.

It's ironic that phone numbers are brought up in this conversation, because that was my original, primary motivation for changing from "o" to "zero": In terms of phone numbers specifically, "o" is 6, not zero (look at your phone).

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jobyts said:
How do you say highway 101? (you live in California, right?) Never heard anyone saying "one hundred and one" or "one zero one".

Good point, I do say one-o-one. Or maybe I say one-oh!-one, who knows :biggrin:!

But I never say "the 101" as they do in SoCal.
 
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Likewise, Zip-codes. I'm in eight-four-one-oh-three. Someone might be in nine-oh-two-one-oh (Beverly Hills 90210).
Doesn't make for a very catchy TV show title: "Beverly Hills nine zero two one zero."

It's ironic that phone numbers are brought up in this conversation, because that was my original, primary motivation for changing from "o" to "zero": In terms of phone numbers specifically, "o" is 6, not zero (look at your phone).
Didn't people used to have to hit the zero button to connect with the Operator?
 
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leroyjenkens said:
Didn't people used to have to hit the zero button to connect with the Operator?
Oh, another good one!
 
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I usually say "zero", but I think I'm going to start saying "naught" as a social experiment.
 
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