Where Are the Hidden Loops in My Circuit?

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The discussion centers on identifying hidden loops in a circuit to validate Kirchhoff's Voltage Rule. The user initially identifies 3 basic loops but struggles to find the remaining 4. A participant clarifies that there are 3 basic loops, 3 additional loops formed by combining the basic loops, and 1 overarching loop that encompasses all. This totals 7 loops, with only 3 independent equations necessary for analysis, as the remaining equations can be derived from these.

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I set this circuit up in my physics lab and measure all the required voltages, currents and resistors. I have been ask to prove that Kirchhoff's Voltage Rule is valid by applying it to all 7 loops. I am only able to find 3 loops and I am unsure as to where the other 4 are. I found 4 other possibilities however, they do not include the power supply and don't work according to Kirchhoff's Rule. Hopefully you can give me some hints as to where the other 4 loops are hiding
 

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summersun said:
I set this circuit up in my physics lab and measure all the required voltages, currents and resistors. I have been ask to prove that Kirchhoff's Voltage Rule is valid by applying it to all 7 loops. I am only able to find 3 loops and I am unsure as to where the other 4 are. I found 4 other possibilities however, they do not include the power supply and don't work according to Kirchhoff's Rule. Hopefully you can give me some hints as to where the other 4 loops are hiding

Hi summersun! :smile:

There are 3 "basic" loops.

Then there are another 3 loops each containing two "basic loops".

And there is 1 loop (the whole thing, obviously! :rolleyes:) containing all three "basic loops".

Total 7.

You can get 7 Kirchhoff's Rules equations, one for each loop, but only three of the equations will be independent (ie, you can work out any of the other 4 from any 3).

(The number of independent equations for any circuit is the same as the number of "basic loops".)

Try all the loops :smile:, and let us know if one isn't working. :wink:
 

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