Why is the Junction Rule not applying in my circuit?

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The discussion revolves around a circuit analysis problem involving a series resistor (R1) and a parallel combination of resistors (R2 and R3). The original poster measures currents through the circuit and attempts to apply the Junction Rule, which states that the sum of currents entering a junction must equal the sum of currents leaving it. However, the measured values do not satisfy this rule, leading to questions about the conservation of charge in the circuit.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the discrepancy between measured and expected current values, questioning potential causes for the "loss" of charge. There are inquiries about the setup, including the use of digital voltmeters (DVMs) and their impact on measurements. Some participants suggest considering the stability of the power supply voltage and how measurement procedures might affect results.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and asking clarifying questions about the experimental setup and measurement techniques. There is no explicit consensus yet, but several suggestions have been made regarding potential factors influencing the measurements.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of understanding the measurement setup, including the number of DVMs used and their modes, as well as the values of the resistors involved. There is also mention of the possibility of voltage drift in the power supply affecting the measurements.

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Homework Statement


In my lab today, I created a circuit with resistor (R1) in series with a set of resistors in parallel (R2//R3).

Using an ammeter, I measured:
I1 = 2.30mA
I2 = 1.25mA
I3 = 0.38mA

Homework Equations


Junction Rule: ΣI = 0

The Attempt at a Solution


So applying the Junction Rule, I1 = I2 + I3
However, with what I've measured, 12+13 does not add up to I1. What could cause this "loss" of charge? To me, this doesn't make sense, as this violates the idea of conservation of charge. How can charge just disappear like such, after the parallel connection converges?
 

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vetgirl1990 said:

Homework Statement


In my lab today, I created a circuit with resistor (R1) in series with a set of resistors in parallel (R2//R3).

Using an ammeter, I measured:
I1 = 2.30mA
I2 = 1.25mA
I3 = 0.38mA

Homework Equations


Junction Rule: ΣI = 0

The Attempt at a Solution


So applying the Junction Rule, I1 = I2 + I3
However, with what I've measured, 12+13 does not add up to I1. What could cause this "loss" of charge? To me, this doesn't make sense, as this violates the idea of conservation of charge. How can charge just disappear like such, after the parallel connection converges?
Can you show your setup? Remember that a DVM in current measuring mode has an internal shunt resistance that cannot always be ignored...
 
berkeman said:
Can you show your setup? Remember that a DVM in current measuring mode has an internal shunt resistance that cannot always be ignored...
I have just added an image of my set-up in the original post.
 
vetgirl1990 said:
I have just added an image of my set-up in the original post.
Did you really have 6 DVMs running at the same time doing simultaneous monitoring? Or did you have one DVM in voltage mode and one DVM in current mode that you were moving around? What was the actual test procedure? :smile:
 
This might be relevant: http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/direct-current/chpt-8/voltmeter-impact-measured-circuit/
 
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It would be of interest to know the component values (so that we can compare your measured values to theoretical ones). What were the values of the resistors?
 
berkeman said:
Did you really have 6 DVMs running at the same time doing simultaneous monitoring? Or did you have one DVM in voltage mode and one DVM in current mode that you were moving around? What was the actual test procedure? :smile:
Also, do you see a difference in how you measured the voltage across R1 versus how you handled R2 and R3? :smile:
 
You used a 2 volt supply...so the resistors were around 50 to 150 ohms.

One thing that might or might not be relevant here, but cheap power supplies can drift with time. So it's possible that what started off as 2.0 volts may have been a different value by the time you took your final current measurement. It is a wise precaution to constantly monitor voltage sources if you are not assured of their stability; an unnoticed drift in supply voltage can result in hours of wasted time, and needless frustration!
 
berkeman said:
Did you really have 6 DVMs running at the same time doing simultaneous monitoring? Or did you have one DVM in voltage mode and one DVM in current mode that you were moving around? What was the actual test procedure? :smile:

Exactly to the latter procedure -- I measured each resistor's current and voltage individually. How would that affect the current though?
 
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vetgirl1990 said:
I measured each resistor's current and voltage individually
Did the voltages add up to 2V?
 
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vetgirl1990 said:
Exactly to the latter procedure -- I measured each resistor's current and voltage individually. How would that affect the current though?
Can you respond to the other comments and questions in this thread? You have been given some great hints and advice... :smile:
 

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