Where Can I Find Specific and General Solutions for ODEs?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding specific and general solutions for ordinary differential equations (ODEs), particularly focusing on first-order ODEs. Participants are seeking examples of equations that can be solved using multiple methods, as well as those that lack general solutions.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express a need for specific examples of first-order ODEs that can be solved in multiple ways.
  • Others inquire about equations that do not have general solutions and seek clarification on what this means.
  • One participant suggests that textbooks contain methods for solving ODEs, including numerical and closed-form solutions.
  • There is mention of various methods for solving ODEs, including linear, exact, and separable ODEs, though not all methods are specified.
  • Participants discuss the distinction between having "no answer" and lacking a "closed-form solution," indicating that numerical methods can still provide answers.
  • A later reply emphasizes that guidelines prevent providing direct answers to homework problems, suggesting that participants should refer to external resources for examples.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the existence of multiple methods for solving ODEs and the distinction between closed-form solutions and numerical approximations. However, there is no consensus on specific examples or the exact nature of equations that lack general solutions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the specific requirements of the original poster's request, indicating a need for clarification on whether they seek learning materials or specific examples. Additionally, the discussion touches on the limitations of providing direct answers due to forum policies.

Who May Find This Useful

Students studying differential equations, educators looking for discussion points on ODE methods, and individuals interested in the nuances of solving first-order ODEs.

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Hi 2 all

Necessary i need ode that's have no general sol nd I need also an ode that's i can solve it with more way

i hope 2 found it .. thanks all i w8
 
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any one can help me .. how i solve an ode with different methods .. or what the eq that's no sol and why?
 
Look through the chapter titles of your differential equations book. You'll probably find that the entire thing is giving you methods for solving ODE's. Some of them are numerical methods, and some of them give you "closed form" solutions.
 
Hello there young_eng,

To start, I would request the use of proper English as per PF guidelines.

I'm not entirely sure what you're asking here, do you just want the materials to learn or are you looking for specific examples?

As JDoolin points out, your textbooks will have many examples of each. If you could clarify the above, I will try to help a bit more.

As a start, here are some of the resources I use as reference:
http://www.efunda.com/math/ode/ode.cfm
The materials within should help, and hopefully will be roughly what you're looking for.

Jared
 
jarednjames said:
Hello there young_eng,

To start, I would request the use of proper English as per PF guidelines.

I'm not entirely sure what you're asking here, do you just want the materials to learn or are you looking for specific examples?

As JDoolin points out, your textbooks will have many examples of each. If you could clarify the above, I will try to help a bit more.

As a start, here are some of the resources I use as reference:
http://www.efunda.com/math/ode/ode.cfm
The materials within should help, and hopefully will be roughly what you're looking for.

Jared

yes , i need First Order ODE specific examples . it is a report requir from us in our college

we finshed First Order ODE but i can't solve an eq with 5 methods, but i found some eq that's have no answer but i don't know why ?

sorry 4 my delay replay
 
help me pleeeeeeeeas
 
Im not at home right now, it's 10pm on a friday night here. I will give more help once I am at my computer.

Jared
 
jarednjames said:
Im not at home right now, it's 10pm on a friday night here. I will give more help once I am at my computer.

Jared

okay , thanks 4 ur help

i w8 u sir
 
pls anyone can write an eq with many solves and and an eq have no general solution
 
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young_eng said:
yes , i need First Order ODE specific examples . it is a report requir from us in our college

we finshed First Order ODE but i can't solve an eq with 5 methods, but i found some eq that's have no answer but i don't know why ?

sorry 4 my delay replay

By the way, Physics Forums Policy is that we're not allowed to give answers to homework problems, and technically, this should be in the homework help forum.

As far as five methods, I can think of linear ODE's, exact ODE's, and separable ODE's. I'm sure those are among the five methods; but I don't know what the other two are. Some equations can be solved by more than one method.

When you say "no answer," I'm pretty sure you mean "closed-form solution."

They still have "an answer," but you have to approximate it with numerical methods such as Euler's method, or the Runge-Kutta method.
 
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JDoolin said:
By the way, Physics Forums Policy is that we're not allowed to give answers to homework problems, and technically, this should be in the homework help forum.

As far as five methods, I can think of linear ODE's, exact ODE's, and separable ODE's. I'm sure those are among the five methods; but I don't know what the other two are. Some equations can be solved by more than one method.

When you say "no answer," I'm pretty sure you mean "closed-form solution."

They still have "an answer," but you have to approximate it with numerical methods such as Euler's method, or the Runge-Kutta method.

ok I understand what we mean by no solution " closed-form solution" . that's very nice

Now i want to know how i solve an equation with 3 methods ? with any method i begin
can we have an homogeneous equation and it is exact in same time ?

thanks all
 
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Young_eng, if you read the link I gave you, under First Order ODE it gives you all you are looking for:

Separable, Exact, Linear, Implicit and existence and Uniqueness Theory.

Please read this, it gives examples of each form, but due to guidelines we cannot provide you with direct answers (specific examples).

This page covers pretty much everything you need for the whole subject area and I would recommend you use it.

Jared
 

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