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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a mass attached to a spring moving horizontally on a surface with friction. The original poster is attempting to determine where the mass comes to rest after being released from a position of 70 cm from the equilibrium point, given specific parameters such as mass and coefficients of friction.

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  • The original poster describes their approach using conservation of energy and kinematic equations to find the resting position of the mass. They express uncertainty about their calculations compared to the answer provided by their TA.
  • Some participants question the mixing of energy and force equations in the original poster's solution.
  • Others suggest reconsidering the effects of friction and the nature of acceleration during the motion.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and the calculations involved. Some have provided insights into potential errors in the original poster's reasoning, particularly regarding the treatment of acceleration and friction.

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Participants note the importance of understanding the conditions under which the equations are applied, particularly the assumption of constant acceleration in the kinematic equation used by the original poster.

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Homework Statement


I have a physics midterm on Wednesday and I'm doing some practice problems to prepare. On one of them, I'm getting an answer that is extremely close to the answer my TA gave me for the problem and I can't tell if it's rounding or if I'm missing something.

A mass is attached to a spring and allowed to move horizontally along a surface with friction (assume that the equilibrium position is far enough away from the wall that the mass never hits it and the spring can both push and pull). m=10kg and uK=uS=0.1

If the mass is let go, at x=70 cm (where x=0 is equilibrium) where does it come to rest for the first time?

Homework Equations


A) 1/2kx^2=1/2mv^2 -Ff (conservation of energy)
B) Ff=Nuk
C) F=-kx
D) v^2-vi^2=2a(x-xi)

The Attempt at a Solution


-I used equation B to find the frictional force: (0.1)*(9.8)*(10) = 9.8 N

-I used equation C to find the force exerted by the spring: F=(-100)(.7)=-70N. I then used F=ma to get the acceleration: (-70)=(10)a, and a=7m/s^2

I solved equation A for v and got squareroot((kx^2+2f)/m) = v
--after plugging and chugging, i got a velocity v=2.62 m/s

I then plugged into equation D

(2.62)^2-0=2(7)(x-0)
x=.49 m = 49 cm

The answer my TA gave me was 50.1 cm. Am I doing something incorrectly?

Thanks so much!
 
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Your equation A mixes energy and force.
The spring constant is 100N/m, right? I get -8.4cm.
 
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kdb94 said:

Homework Statement


I have a physics midterm on Wednesday and I'm doing some practice problems to prepare. On one of them, I'm getting an answer that is extremely close to the answer my TA gave me for the problem and I can't tell if it's rounding or if I'm missing something.

A mass is attached to a spring and allowed to move horizontally along a surface with friction (assume that the equilibrium position is far enough away from the wall that the mass never hits it and the spring can both push and pull). m=10kg and uK=uS=0.1

If the mass is let go, at x=70 cm (where x=0 is equilibrium) where does it come to rest for the first time?

Homework Equations


A) 1/2kx^2=1/2mv^2 -Ff (conservation of energy)
B) Ff=Nuk
C) F=-kx
D) v^2-vi^2=2a(x-xi)

The Attempt at a Solution


-I used equation B to find the frictional force: (0.1)*(9.8)*(10) = 9.8 N

-I used equation C to find the force exerted by the spring: F=(-100)(.7)=-70N. I then used F=ma to get the acceleration: (-70)=(10)a, and a=7m/s^2

I solved equation A for v and got squareroot((kx^2+2f)/m) = v
--after plugging and chugging, i got a velocity v=2.62 m/s

I then plugged into equation D

(2.62)^2-0=2(7)(x-0)
x=.49 m = 49 cm

The answer my TA gave me was 50.1 cm. Am I doing something incorrectly?

Thanks so much!
I got the same as the TA. except mine is negative: x = - 0.50m.
 
rude man said:
I got the same as the TA. except mine is negative: x = - 0.50m.
That made me realize I hadn't read quite to the end of the question. My number was for where it comes to rest finally.
 
kdb94 said:

Homework Statement


I have a physics midterm on Wednesday and I'm doing some practice problems to prepare. On one of them, I'm getting an answer that is extremely close to the answer my TA gave me for the problem and I can't tell if it's rounding or if I'm missing something.

A mass is attached to a spring and allowed to move horizontally along a surface with friction (assume that the equilibrium position is far enough away from the wall that the mass never hits it and the spring can both push and pull). m=10kg and uK=uS=0.1

If the mass is let go, at x=70 cm (where x=0 is equilibrium) where does it come to rest for the first time?

Homework Equations


A) 1/2kx^2=1/2mv^2 -Ff (conservation of energy)
B) Ff=Nuk
C) F=-kx
D) v^2-vi^2=2a(x-xi)

The Attempt at a Solution


-I used equation B to find the frictional force: (0.1)*(9.8)*(10) = 9.8 N

-I used equation C to find the force exerted by the spring: F=(-100)(.7)=-70N. I then used F=ma to get the acceleration: (-70)=(10)a, and a=7m/s^2

You got the initial acceleration caused by the spring, and neglected the effect of the friction.
The acceleration is not constant during the motion, you can not use the kinematic equation D, valid for uniform acceleration.
 

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