Where did the six come from in the Chinese Remainder Theorem?

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The discussion revolves around the Chinese Remainder Theorem, specifically focusing on the origin of the number six in the context of solving a system of congruences: x congruent to 4 mod 11 and x congruent to 3 mod 13. Participants explore the calculations and reasoning involved in finding solutions to these congruences.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the appearance of the number six in their calculations related to the Chinese Remainder Theorem.
  • Another participant suggests a method involving modular division to solve the congruences, indicating that a and b can be found through this process.
  • A third participant notes that there are relationships such as 1/11 congruent to 6 mod 13 and 1/13 congruent to 6 mod 11, implying a connection to the number six.
  • A later reply elaborates on the problem setup, indicating that the goal is to find a value of X that satisfies both congruences and discusses the calculations leading to a specific solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the origin of the number six, and multiple approaches to solving the problem are presented, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the calculations and the assumptions made in deriving the relationships between the numbers involved, particularly concerning the modular inverses and their implications in the context of the Chinese Remainder Theorem.

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I need help making sense of my notes:

x congruent 4 mod 11
x congruent 3 mod 13

ai mi Mi yi aiMiyi
4 11 13 6 4*13*6
3 13 11 6 3*11*6

I'm not sure where the six came from
 
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no clue
usually one solves
13a=4 (mod 11) (a=0,1,...10)
11b=3 (mod 13) (b=0,1,...12)
ie a and be are found by modular division
so that
n*gcd(11,13)+(gcd(11,13)-13a-11b)
with n=1,2,3,...
solves the original problem
 
Chaotixmonjuist:
ai mi Mi yi aiMiyi
4 11 13 6 4*13*6
3 13 11 6 3*11*6 I'm not sure where the six came from

Some number repeats are going on there. But we have 1/11==6 Mod 13, and 1/13==6 Mod 11.
 
I was hoping someone would go a little further with this problem. It may not be clear what is being discussed. (Apparently the teacher must have been writing on the blackboard.)

What I take is being said above is X==4 Mod 11 and X==3 Mod 13. Find X congruent to 11x13= 143.

Setting up the first part of the problem, we want to find 4/13 ==X(1) Mod 11, and 3/11==X(2) Mod 13.

The first case gives x(1)==24==2 Mod 11, and the second gives X(2) ==18==5 Mod 13. So we get x(1)=2, X(2)=5.

We then set up the equation X =13*x(1) + 11*x(2) +k143. (k is chosen so as to give us the smallest positive value.)

Now if we checked this product Mod 11 the last part on x(2) would go out. On the other hand on the first part, 13*x(1), we have included the inverse of 13 mod 11 in our calcuations, so we are only going to get the value of X ==4 Mod 11. Similarly for the other part of the equation.

So that working out the equation: X=13*2 + 11*5 = 81. This value satisfies the conditions.
 
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