Where Does e^(2*pi*i) Originate?

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The discussion revolves around the origin and significance of the term e^(2*pi*i) in the context of a textbook problem. Participants explore its mathematical properties, particularly in relation to Euler's formula and the periodic nature of the exponential function in complex analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the origin of e^(2*pi*i) in their textbook, noting a lack of explanation.
  • Another participant references the basic property of exponents, stating that e^(a+b) = e^a * e^b, and applies it to the specific case of e^(z + 2*pi*i).
  • A participant suggests that the term 2*pi*i relates to the periodic nature of the exponential function, indicating that adding it does not change the result.
  • It is mentioned that e^(i*pi) = -1 leads to the conclusion that e^(2*i*pi) = 1, illustrating a property of complex exponentiation.
  • Some participants note that any integer multiple of 2*pi*i can be added without changing the outcome, emphasizing the periodicity of the function.
  • There is a request for more context from the original poster to better assist with their confusion.
  • One participant humorously acknowledges a mistake in their previous message regarding the integer multiple of 2*pi*i.
  • Another participant compares the situation to the periodicity in the sine function, suggesting that the term is presented as an important mathematical property.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the term e^(2*pi*i), with some agreeing on its periodic nature while others remain uncertain about its introduction in the textbook. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the clarity of the textbook's explanation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the textbook does not provide additional context or derivation for the term e^(2*pi*i), which contributes to the confusion. The discussion highlights the importance of understanding the periodic properties of complex exponentials.

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The problem at hand is that I don't understand wherefrom my textbook got a certain term(e^(2*pi*i). It doesn't say. At least not as I understand it.
The book says:

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e^(z+2*pi*i) = e^z*e^(2*pi*i) = e^z*1 = e^z

From where does e^(2*pi*i) come? I get the stuff leading to the answer, I just can't seem to understand from where that term comes from.
 
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Basic property of exponents:

e^{a+b} = e^a e^b
 
I'm not certain as to what exactly your asking, but I hope this helps!

Recall the identity property of exponents:

ea+b=eaeb

In your particular case, let:
a=z
b=2*pi*i

Therefore,
ez+(2*pi*i) = ez*e2*pi*i
 
Oh, no, I am sorry if I was not clear. I simply don't know wherefrom they get the 2*pi*i from in e^(z+2*pi*i).

The information I get is what I've written. I believe that the 2*pi refers to the period. It just seems kind of abrupt to randomly insert it without any proof or reference to hardly anything..
 
From calculus one learns that e^{i\pi} = -1
So, using a certain property of exponents, e^{2i\pi} = (e^{i\pi})^2 = (-1)^2 = 1
 
OK. Could be they just added 2*pi*i at random. Why? Because they can :wink:

Do you know Euler's formula?

e^{ix} = \cos x + i \sin x

If you combine it all you see if you insert 2*pi*i into exponent at random, you will not change the result. Sometimes it can be a useful identity.
 
Actually they could add any integer multiple of 2\pi i and still leave the answer unchanged.

e^z=e^{z+2\pi i n} where n is any integer.
 
sirwalle said:
I just can't seem to understand from where that term comes from.
We can't directly help you if you don't show us what they were doing up to that point.
 
Mentallic said:
Actually they could add any integer multiple of 2\pi i and still leave the answer unchanged.

Lol, it must have been a senior moment on my side. I intended to write 2*pi*i*n but looked at 2*pi*i and decided there already is an integer (i) in the formula
 
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Borek said:
Lol, it must have been a senior moment on my side. I intended to write 2*pi*i*n but looked at 2*pi*i and decided there already is an integer (i) in the formula

People seem to find new uses for i each and every day :wink:
 
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Hurkyl said:
We can't directly help you if you don't show us what they were doing up to that point.

That's the thing. They aren't doing anything, it has its own little "information box". It says nothing after, nothing before. Just what I've written. All I know is that it has to do with Euler (the chapter is about Euler), if that helps?
 
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So it must be what I told you earlier - they just show an interesting and important property.

It is like asking where did the 2*pi came from in sin(x+n*2*pi) = sin(x) :-p
 

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