Where does higgs boson get its mass?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of the Higgs boson and its relationship with mass, specifically focusing on how the Higgs boson interacts with the Higgs field and whether it interacts with other Higgs bosons. Participants explore the implications of these interactions for understanding mass in elementary particles.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that particles, including the Higgs boson, gain mass from the Higgs field rather than from the Higgs boson itself.
  • Others question whether the Higgs boson can interact with other Higgs bosons and what that means for mass generation.
  • There is a discussion about whether the Higgs boson is made up of fundamental particles and who gains mass first, the Higgs boson or its constituents.
  • One participant suggests that the interaction between the Higgs boson and the Higgs field is not a one-time event but rather an ongoing process, comparing it to charge interacting with an electromagnetic field.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the Higgs boson is thought to be elementary and not composed of other particles.
  • There is a mention of the complexity of the Higgs mechanism and the challenges in understanding it without oversimplifying the concepts involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the nature of the Higgs boson and its interactions, with no clear consensus reached on several key questions, including the nature of mass acquisition and the interactions involved.

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Some limitations in the discussion include the reliance on complex theoretical models and the absence of straightforward answers to questions about the nature of interactions and mass generation.

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Does it interact with other higgs bosons? Do they also do the same? It cannot go ad infinitum or can it?
 
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Gytax said:
Does it interact with other higgs bosons? Do they also do the same? It cannot go ad infinitum or can it?

The theory is that particles, including the Higgs boson, get their mass from the Higgs FIELD, not from the Higgs boson.
 
phinds said:
The theory is that particles, including the Higgs boson, get their mass from the Higgs FIELD, not from the Higgs boson.

I can't see how this forbids the interaction with bosons.
 
Gytax said:
I can't see how this forbids the interaction with bosons.
Not sure what you're getting at.
Elementary particles (electrons, muons, W bosons, Higgs bosons, etc...) gain their mass by interacting with Higgs field. Higgs boson is an excitation of that field. Higgs boson can interact with other particles, but it's not particularly abundant in the universe and it's presence is not required for other particles to have mass.
 
Dead Boss said:
Not sure what you're getting at.
Elementary particles (electrons, muons, W bosons, Higgs bosons, etc...) gain their mass by interacting with Higgs field. Higgs boson is an excitation of that field. Higgs boson can interact with other particles, but it's not particularly abundant in the universe and it's presence is not required for other particles to have mass.

And does the Higgs boson interact with Higgs field?
 
Gytax said:
And does the Higgs boson interact with Higgs field?
Sure, as I said:
Elementary particles (electrons, muons, W bosons, Higgs bosons, etc...) gain their mass by interacting with Higgs field.
 
I am an interested observer not a scientist, my doubt is that if higgs boson is made up of fundamental particles, so who gains the mass first?
Higgs boson or the particles which constitute it??
 
Higgs boson is thought to be elementary, i.e. not made of other particles.
 
Dead Boss said:
Not sure what you're getting at.
Elementary particles (electrons, muons, W bosons, Higgs bosons, etc...) gain their mass by interacting with Higgs field. Higgs boson is an excitation of that field. Higgs boson can interact with other particles, but it's not particularly abundant in the universe and it's presence is not required for other particles to have mass.
I am not understanding what do you mean by higgs boson gain mass by interacting with the higgs field, does it mean continuous interaction or instantaneous interaction?
 
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Blogical said:
I am an interested observer not a scientist, my doubt is that if higgs boson is made up of fundamental particles, so who gains the mass first?
Higgs boson or the particles which constitute it??

Blogical said:
I am not understanding what do you mean by higgs boson gain mass by interacting with the higgs field, does it mean continuous interaction or instantaneous interaction?

You may be asking too much if you want an answer that you will understand. There isn't an answer to any of these questions in terms of billiard ball type models. Particles aren't particles as you would recognise them, for a start. (Just look at what's written about the photon and we've been 'familiar' with those things for a hundred years.) Higgs is all esoteric stuff and there's a lot of hot air flying around about it at the moment from the dreaded 'Journalists'. I don't think they are helping anyone really - except to get people to accept the vast sums of money being spent (so not all bad).
 
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Higgs gains its mass because in the lagrangian that describes the dynamic of your model, you have that the Higgs field couples with itself in a way that you have a mass term... that mass is the Higg's one...

It's not like what interacts first with the other... it's totally meaningless for your notation...
 
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Blogical said:
I am not understanding what do you mean by higgs boson gain mass by interacting with the higgs field, does it mean continuous interaction or instantaneous interaction?
It's not a "kick" that happens once and then it's over, if that's what you're asking. If your familiar with classical electromagnetism then you can imagine it as charge interacting with EM field. EM field tells charge how to move, Higgs field tells particle how much mass it has. The big difference here is that EM field - charge interaction goes both ways whereas Higgs field - particle interaction goes one way.
 

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