Originally posted by drag
Sp what is your scientific conclusion on the good/bad issue ?Or maybe, the scientific way, like you did, provides
you with the facts, while the interpretation is up to you.
Science must be as much as possible neutral. Facts must be judged on the correct value. There must be repeatability, and independent testing. A number of the definitions are based on conventions (to speak the same language and to compare results). Good and bad have no place it such an excercise. Good and bad are subjective values in relation to the outcome or in relation to the initial start.
Originally posted by drag
Now, we come to the core - why we disagree on things.
For example, you disagree that a missile should be fired
to kill a terrorist in his car. Even though he is responsible
for murder of civilians and plans to do it again.
(btw, I'm not sure you'd think the same if the victims
were your fellow citizens, but let's leave out this for now.)
I think it is correct.
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I disagree shooting missiles because there are better and more ethical ways to act against criminals.
The result of firing a missile is uncertain about the causalities. Also children and women may be hit. If the target is not hit or just wounded but his family members are killed it just make the hate larger, and amplifies the motives to hit back ... and also to target children and women of the others.
By using brutal and distant force you bring yourself on the SAME LEVEL as your attackers. An Eye for an Eye just make everyone blind at the end.
Culture and education have given us a number of rules to settle 'problems' in Court following a number of RULES and rights. If a Government like US 'with the Patriot Act) or Israel (like David showed) reduces freedom to its own people, and people can be sentenced for years WITHOUT TRIAL ... then something is rotten in that state. We see other states like Syria were even less freedom happens but we can say that every people deserves the leaders it has.
Like you have national courts and rules you have also international courts and rules. They are the result of evolution and insight that conflicts should be settled in the benefit of all. Between counties there have to be also rules of behavior or principles and CONVENTIONS of conduct. If a 'great' country with traditional high ethics and noble principles like US always was ... but now with Bush II :
1. throws away the International achievements and humiliates other countries
2. just uses the UN when it fits in his goals
3. refuses to be subject to conventionally set rules (cf.. international Court),
4. refuses to apply a number of conventions (cf.. Kyoto)
5. Proclaims to have the right to kill everybody in the world (which acts against 'US national INTEREST' whatever that means)
6. Declares war based on fabricated 'facts',
7. Points to others for developing 'nukes' (Iran) ... while developing SELF new additional weapons of mass- and local destruction (cf.. mini-NUKES) and highest lethal biological weapons (as they sold to Saddam in past),
8. ...
9. ...
10. ...
Then I ask you: Is there good faith? Is there normal 'moral' conduct? Is there the intention to bring peace and freedom ... or just take power and control? Is 'We bring them to JUSTICE ... ' the real justice ... or just blow them away? Is the general behavior of US resembling to the Christian traditions USA always had ... and is it in the SPIRIT conform the 10 Commandments of the GOD Bush always refers to and which is also incorporated in your Constitution? The real GOD the US Constitution refers to is a God of Jesus, of Dignity, of Love, of Peace, of Honesty, of Compassion, of Truth ... not the (newcon) God of Revenge, Hate and Lies. I am sure that a lot of Americans are ashamed to have a President like that ... which had as Governor of Texas the highest number of death executions ( and even publicly mocked and laughed with people asking for grace). I almost start to believe that his tragic history of heavy alcohol addiction and drug addictions resulted in permanent brain damage ... and to me: that's not the guy to have power over the RED button.
About this all, I say: that's bad.