Where is the function differentiable

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The discussion revolves around the differentiability of the function ##f:E^2\to\mathbb{R}## defined piecewise, with a focus on the point ##(0,0)##. Participants are exploring the conditions under which the function is differentiable, particularly examining the behavior of the partial derivatives.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the continuity of the function and the existence of partial derivatives at points other than ##(0,0)##. There is an exploration of the limits involved in determining the continuity of the partial derivatives at ##(0,0)##.

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Some participants are questioning the continuity of the partial derivatives at ##(0,0)## and whether the limits they are calculating yield consistent results. There is an ongoing examination of the implications of these limits on the differentiability of the function.

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Participants note the need to analyze the limits carefully, particularly when approaching ##(0,0)## from different paths, and the potential complications introduced by the absolute value in the function's definition.

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Homework Statement


Where is the function ##f:E^2\to\mathbb{R}## given by ##f(x,y)=\begin{cases}\frac{xy}{|x|+|y|} & , \ \text{if} \ (x,y)\ne(0,0)\\
0 & , \ \text{if} \ (x,y)=(0,0) \end{cases}## differentiable?

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The function is continuous so the partials exists, thus we have ##\frac{\partial f}{\partial x} = \begin{cases} \frac{y(|x|+|y|)\pm xy|y|}{(|x|+|y|)^2}, & x>0\\
\frac{y(|x|+|y|)\pm xy|y|}{(|x|+|y|)^2}, & x<0. \end{cases}##

##\frac{\partial f}{\partial y} = \begin{cases} \frac{x(|x|+|y|)\pm xy|x|}{(|x|+|y|)^2}, & y>0\\
\frac{x(|x|+|y|)\pm xy|x|}{(|x|+|y|)^2}, & y<0. \end{cases}##

For ##(x,y)\ne (0,0),## the partials ##\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}, \frac{\partial f}{\partial y}## exists and are continuous so ##F## is differentiable at any ##(x,y)\ne (0,0). ##

For ##(x,y)=(0,0),## I am having trouble showing why the partials are not continuous at ##(0,0).##
 
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Lee33 said:

Homework Statement


Where is the function ##f:E^2\to\mathbb{R}## given by ##f(x,y)=\begin{cases}\frac{xy}{|x|+|y|} & , \ \text{if} \ (x,y)\ne(0,0)\\
0 & , \ \text{if} \ (x,y)=(0,0) \end{cases}## differentiable?

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None

The Attempt at a Solution




The function is continuous so the partials exists, thus we have ##\frac{\partial f}{\partial x} = \begin{cases} \frac{y(|x|+|y|)\pm xy|y|}{(|x|+|y|)^2}, & x>0\\
\frac{y(|x|+|y|)\pm xy|y|}{(|x|+|y|)^2}, & x<0. \end{cases}##

##\frac{\partial f}{\partial y} = \begin{cases} \frac{x(|x|+|y|)\pm xy|x|}{(|x|+|y|)^2}, & y>0\\
\frac{x(|x|+|y|)\pm xy|x|}{(|x|+|y|)^2}, & y<0. \end{cases}##

For ##(x,y)\ne (0,0),## the partials ##\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}, \frac{\partial f}{\partial y}## exists and are continuous so ##F## is differentiable at any ##(x,y)\ne (0,0). ##

For ##(x,y)=(0,0),## I am having trouble showing why the partials are not continuous at ##(0,0).##

Given that f(0,0) = 0 and f(0,y) = 0, you have
<br /> \left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\right|_{(0,0)} = \lim_{x \to 0} \frac{f(x,0)}{x}<br />
but for y \neq 0 you have
<br /> \left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\right|_{(0,y)} = \lim_{x \to 0} \frac{f(x,y)}{x}<br />
Does
<br /> \lim_{y \to 0} \left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\right|_{(0,y)}
exist, and if it does is it equal to \left.\dfrac{\partial f}{\partial x}\right|_{(0,0)}?
 
pasmith said:
Given that f(0,0) = 0 and f(0,y) = 0, you have
<br /> \left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\right|_{(0,0)} = \lim_{x \to 0} \frac{f(x,0)}{x}<br />
but for y \neq 0 you have
<br /> \left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\right|_{(0,y)} = \lim_{x \to 0} \frac{f(x,y)}{x}<br />
Does
<br /> \lim_{y \to 0} \left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\right|_{(0,y)}
exist, and if it does is it equal to \left.\dfrac{\partial f}{\partial x}\right|_{(0,0)}?

Hm, let's see if I understand your reasoning because I am a bit confused.

##\lim_{y \to 0} \left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\right|_{(0,y)} = \lim_{y \to 0} \frac{f(x,y)}{x}## which does equal ##\left.\dfrac{\partial f}{\partial x}\right|_{(0,0)}##.

Am I correct on that?
 
Lee33 said:
Hm, let's see if I understand your reasoning because I am a bit confused.

##\lim_{y \to 0} \left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\right|_{(0,y)} = \lim_{y \to 0} \frac{f(x,y)}{x}## which does equal ##\left.\dfrac{\partial f}{\partial x}\right|_{(0,0)}##.

Am I correct on that?

No; you have
<br /> \lim_{y \to 0} \left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\right|_{(0,y)} = \lim_{y \to 0} \left(\lim_{x \to 0} \frac{xy}{x(|x| + |y|)}\right)
so you need to take the x limit first. What is
<br /> \lim_{x \to 0} \frac{xy}{x(|x| + |y|)}
when y \neq 0?
 
pasmith said:
No; you have
<br /> \lim_{y \to 0} \left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\right|_{(0,y)} = \lim_{y \to 0} \left(\lim_{x \to 0} \frac{xy}{x(|x| + |y|)}\right)
so you need to take the x limit first. What is
<br /> \lim_{x \to 0} \frac{xy}{x(|x| + |y|)}
when y \neq 0?

By l'hopital we have that \lim_{x \to 0} \frac{xy}{x(|x| + |y|)} = \frac{y}{|y|}

Is that correct? The absolute value is throwing me off if I am wrong.
 

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