Where is the strongest intensity of an electromagnetic field produced by a solenoid?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the optimal applicator and placement for pulsed electromagnetic field (PEMF) devices used in injury rehabilitation. Participants explore the effectiveness of different coil designs and configurations in generating electromagnetic fields, particularly in relation to tissue penetration and intensity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that wrapping the injured body part with a straight rope coil to create a solenoid and increasing current could maximize the electromagnetic field exposure.
  • Another participant questions the safety of experimenting with PEMF devices without understanding medical device safety standards.
  • A participant clarifies that they are not building their own device but are interested in commercially available FDA-approved PEMF devices and the varying opinions on applicators.
  • There is a suggestion to look for peer-reviewed papers and clinical trials related to the FDA approvals of PEMF devices to understand the effectiveness of different applicators.
  • One participant raises a concern about the potential risks of using high electromagnetic fields and suggests consulting a medical practitioner for guidance on dosages.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness and safety of various PEMF applicators and the need for professional guidance. There is no consensus on the best approach or the implications of using high electromagnetic fields.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the lack of consistent information regarding the effectiveness of different PEMF applicators and placements, indicating a need for further exploration of scientific literature.

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I don't have a strong technical background in this, so need some help. I'm currently investigating pulsed electromagnetic field (PEMF) devices to rehab injuries, and trying to figure out the best applicator and placement.

The choices available are coils, mats, butterfly coils, paddles, and a straight rope. From what I've read so far, it seems like the best way to expose injured body parts to the largest electromagnetic field would be to wrap the body part that requires PEMF treatment with as many turns of the straight rope coil as possible to create a solenoid, and pass as much current through the wire as tolerated.

Based off the inverse square law, it seems like holding any of the other applicators on the skin's surface- when trying to reach tissue at any depth underneath the skin- would be much less effective). Can anyone confirm this?
 
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CA_PT said:
I don't have a strong technical background in this, so need some help. I'm currently investigating pulsed electromagnetic field (PEMF) devices to rehab injuries, and trying to figure out the best applicator and placement.

The choices available are coils, mats, butterfly coils, paddles, and a straight rope. From what I've read so far, it seems like the best way to expose injured body parts to the largest electromagnetic field would be to wrap the body part that requires PEMF treatment with as many turns of the straight rope coil as possible to create a solenoid, and pass as much current through the wire as tolerated.

Based off the inverse square law, it seems like holding any of the other applicators on the skin's surface- when trying to reach tissue at any depth underneath the skin- would be much less effective). Can anyone confirm this?

(emphasis added by me) Are you familiar with Medical Device Safety Standards like IEC 60601? You can't just be experimenting on people without some understanding of the safety standards and a moderate amount of experience with designing and building circuitry...
 

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Ok, let me re-phrase: PEMF is an FDA-approved device, commercially-available to purchase without physician prescription. To be clear, I'm not building my own machine, or experimenting on people; I don't even own a machine yet.

For the devices that are commercially available, there are multiple applicators available, and there is not much consistent info about them; five different retailers can give you five different opinions about what applicator to use and where to place it. From what I've read about PEMF so far, some of the applicators and placements don't make sense, so I'm just curious about the science behind it.

Appreciate the concern, and I apologize if there was some confusion from my original post. If you have any knowledge to shed more light on the nature of electromagnetic field intensities based on design and location, it'd be greatly appreciated.
 
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Thanks for the clarifications. If you are using un-modified FDA approved devices and applicators, that should be fine.

Have you tried looking for the peer-reviewed papers and clinical trials that resulted in those FDA approvals? It would seem there would be some sort of discussion about the different applicators and what they are best at.
 
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I thought you didn't want really high fields with this. In any event, shouldn't you be working with some medical practitioner to determine the best dose?
 
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