Where should I apply for my undergrad in math?

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The discussion centers around the selection of undergraduate programs in mathematics, particularly for students interested in pure mathematics and preparing for graduate studies. Participants share insights about various universities in the US, comparing well-known institutions with less prominent ones.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to find a university that provides a strong foundation for graduate work in pure mathematics, questioning whether prestigious schools like Harvard and Princeton are truly the best options for education and exposure.
  • Another participant advocates for Rice University, highlighting its supportive environment, challenging courses, and personal attention from faculty, particularly in undergraduate mathematics.
  • Some participants mention other notable institutions, including MIT, Stanford, and various Ivy League schools, suggesting that many schools offer excellent mathematics programs.
  • A participant from the University of Oregon notes that their math research department ranks highly among public universities, although they clarify that this ranking may pertain more to graduate studies.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on which schools are definitively the best for undergraduate mathematics. There are multiple competing views regarding the merits of various institutions, with some advocating for lesser-known schools while others emphasize the advantages of prestigious programs.

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Some claims about university rankings and program quality are based on personal experiences and perceptions, and there is a lack of agreement on the criteria for determining the best educational foundation for graduate studies.

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I am a bit confused as to where I should apply for my undergrad. I know I definitely want to do pure mathematics, and I am looking at schools in the US (I am not from there). I do physics, math and further math at my high school as well as some personal work in my free time... what I want to know is what school will give me the best foundation for graduate work and research? I know a lot of people say harvard, princeton and other 'brand name' schools for math like that.. but is that really where I will get the best education and exposure?
 
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Well, I think the school I'm at, Rice University, has an outstanding and underappreciated mathematics program for undergraduates. For graduate students I'd say it's good but not incredible, but for undergraduates it's nearly perfect.

There is a big variety of courses, all of which are pretty challenging. The professors are just as nice as they could be, and they're good teachers, too. They're all very passionate about teaching. The department is small, which means you'll get tons of personal attention--last semester I did a research seminar in knot theory that consisted of me, two other undergraduates, and the professor, who is a researcher in knot theory and topology. The grading is hard enough to push you to your limit but never unfair.

Plus Rice has the Honor code, which means at least half your tests will be take-home and maybe even open-book. Of course, that means the problems will be correspondingly harder, and you will be under the obligation to follow the Honor code--punishments for violations are extremely harsh. But it's definitely worth it. It adds a lot of pleasure and freedom to the education process without sacrificing any of its integrity.
 
hey man thanks a lot. I have heard of rice university, I will definitely look into it!
 
I was wondering too of good math undergrad schools apart from the household names.
 
<<want to know is what school will give me the best foundation for graduate work and research? I know a lot of people say harvard, princeton and other 'brand name' schools for math like that.. but is that really where I will get the best education and exposure?>>

I mean, Harvard and Princeton contain some of the leading scholars in the field of number theory. It's hard to find a better place for studying that subject if you're insanely hardcore about it. They also tend to have very strong grad students in general, as the programs are competitive and exceptionally regarded.

But lots of schools have great programs. Go to any Ivy League school and you'll find a great one. MIT, Stanford, U.Chicago, Berkeley, U. Michigan, UCLA, NYU are some non-Ivy schools which have absolutely terrific programs. Carnegie Mellon is a wonderful place if you are interested in logic, and their computer science school adds color to things.
 
Well... I go to University of Oregon, and in terms of public schools their math research department is 12th (I think) in the nation. Here's a list of the top public and private math research universities ranked by the American Mathematical Society: http://www.ams.org/profession/data/annual-survey/group_i
 
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Well... I go to University of Oregon, and in terms of public schools their math research department is 12th (I think) in the nation. Here's a list of the top public and private math research universities ranked by the American Mathematical Society: http://www.ams.org/profession/data/annual-survey/group_i

I think this is for graduate studies.
 

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