Where's the action force if the normal force is a reaction force?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the nature of the normal force in relation to Newton's third law, particularly questioning its classification as a "reaction force." Participants explore the implications of this classification and its representation in textbooks, especially in scenarios involving inclined planes and contact forces.

Discussion Character

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant argues that the normal force is not a reaction force to gravitational force, as the gravitational force acts on the object from Earth, making the reaction force the object's force on Earth.
  • Another participant points out that the normal force only represents the perpendicular component of gravitational force in certain situations, such as on an inclined plane.
  • Some participants contend that the term "reaction" in "normal reaction force" is unnecessary and that labeling forces as "action" and "reaction" can be misleading.
  • A participant highlights that the weight vector is often misrepresented in diagrams, suggesting that it should originate from the center of mass rather than the centroid of the contact area.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the classification of the normal force and its relationship to gravitational force, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the definitions of forces and the representation of forces in diagrams, which are not fully explored in the discussion.

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I know that normal force is not a reaction force to the gravitational force;
- First, because the gravitational force is from Earth on the object (action force) thus the reaction of force is simply form the object on Earth according to Newton's third law.
- Also because in certain situations like when the object is on an inclined plane, the normal force doesn't even equal to the force of gravity on the object but only the perpendicular component of gravitational force.
- My question is: In some textbooks (attached is a screen of these), normal force is named "normal reaction force"; why is that and where's the action force if the normal force is a reaction force?
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The word "Reaction" is unnecessary. The normal force is a force exerted by a surface on a body in contact with the surface. The body also (III law) exerts an equal force on the surface, in the opposite direction. These two are an action - reaction pair. Labeling one of them as "Action" and the other as "Reaction", is wrong.
 
Chandra Prayaga said:
Labeling one of them as "Action" and the other as "Reaction", is wrong.
Or rather meaningless and confusing.
 
cosmik debris said:
W?

Cheers

Weight
 
gmax137 said:
Weight
In which case, at least 3 out of the 5 cases shown on the drawing are presented incorrectly. The weight vector is drawn originating from the centroid of the contact area rather than the center of mass of the object.

i.e. There is a difference between your weight (the downforce of gravity on your body) and the downward component of the contact force of your feet on the floor.
 
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