Which Book Should I Use to Study Quantum Mechanics for My Comprehensive Exam?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around recommendations for textbooks to study quantum mechanics (QM) in preparation for a comprehensive exam. Participants share their experiences and preferences regarding various books, particularly focusing on advanced undergraduate level material.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the Schaum's Outline could be helpful for studying QM.
  • Multiple participants recommend Zettili's book, describing it as advanced and rigorous, with numerous worked problems that aid in understanding.
  • Some participants express strong dissatisfaction with Griffiths' book, citing its lack of formalism and unified presentation of QM, while others defend it as a useful resource.
  • A participant mentions that they found Griffiths frustrating but acknowledges that they learned basic QM from it.
  • Another participant shares that despite achieving high grades while using Griffiths, they still feel uncertain about their understanding of QM.
  • One participant highlights the value of exercises in Griffiths, suggesting a combined approach of using both Griffiths and Zettili for a more comprehensive understanding.
  • There is a mention of another book, "Thermal Physics" by Daniel Schroeder, which is criticized in comparison to Griffiths.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions on the effectiveness of Griffiths' book, with some finding it inadequate and others appreciating it. There is a general consensus on the value of Zettili's book, but no clear agreement on the merits of Griffiths.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the limitations of Griffiths in terms of formalism and completeness, while others emphasize the importance of exercises for learning. The discussion reflects varying levels of confidence and understanding among participants regarding their QM studies.

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I am a graduate student preparing for my comperhensive exam, and do not have a very strong background in QM. Which method should I use? which book takes me to the point of getting 60% out of exam. The material is advanced undergraduate QM.
 
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You should check out Zettili's book. For an undergrad book it is quite advanced and rigorous (especially compared to the shi*ty book that Griffiths wrote) and at the end of every chapter it has 10-15 worked out problems which are great for practice.
 
ahsanxr said:
You should check out Zettili's book. For an undergrad book it is quite advanced and rigorous (especially compared to the shi*ty book that Griffiths wrote) and at the end of every chapter it has 10-15 worked out problems which are great for practice.

What's so terrible about Griffiths' book? It is by no means perfect but I quite liked it when I took my UG course on QM 1.

In reply to the thread starter, I'm guessing you're not a physics student, considering you're taking UG QM as a graduate student. Contrary to ahsanxr, I found Griffiths to be a pretty damn good book for the UG level. If it's a more advanced course as you said, then I'd say go for Shankar's book. Heard nothing but great things about it.
 
ahsanxr said:
You should check out Zettili's book. For an undergrad book it is quite advanced and rigorous (especially compared to the shi*ty book that Griffiths wrote) and at the end of every chapter it has 10-15 worked out problems which are great for practice.

Listen to what this guy said. I took first semester undergrad QM and was extremely frustrated by Griffiths. Then I found Zetilli's book and ended up with A+ in the class. Zetilli's book is not good. It's THE BEST. I learned about it from a member here. It will prepare you for the qual exam. He has a gazillion solved problems and shows you tricks and techniques you will never see anywhere.
 
Dr Transport said:
the schaums outline would be helpful

Thanks! I think it is better to go with schaum's outline at this point, too. Do you know any specific book on that? I found some schauam's online but they do not have very good reviews.
 
dark.scalar said:
Thanks! I think it is better to go with schaum's outline at this point, too. Do you know any specific book on that? I found some schauam's online but they do not have very good reviews.

How much time do you have? I also have the Schaum's for QM. I still swear by Zetilli's book. Unless, of course, you are really short on time. However, in this case, I doubt that anything will help.
 
YAHA said:
How much time do you have? I also have the Schaum's for QM. I still swear by Zetilli's book. Unless, of course, you are really short on time. However, in this case, I doubt that anything will help.

I have at most 2-3 weeks since I need to cover 4 more topics :-(
 
YAHA said:
Listen to what this guy said. I took first semester undergrad QM and was extremely frustrated by Griffiths. Then I found Zetilli's book and ended up with A+ in the class. Zetilli's book is not good. It's THE BEST. I learned about it from a member here. It will prepare you for the qual exam. He has a gazillion solved problems and shows you tricks and techniques you will never see anywhere.

Hmm. Looks like I'll have to check out Zetilli for myself, for my QM 2 class next semester. :approve:
 
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Fizicks1 said:
What's so terrible about Griffiths' book? It is by no means perfect but I quite liked it when I took my UG course on QM 1.

Griffiths book is not THAT terrible (I'd give it 2.5 stars). Sure I learned some basic QM by reading it but overall it just doesn't present the subject in a unified way. This is mainly because it leaves out a lot of formalism and does not employ the proper math that is needed in QM for a rigorous and unified approach. This leads to a lot of hand-wavy and incomplete arguments, which is really frustrating for a student who is looking for a complete understanding. And then there are his problems which sometimes can teach you something new but the majority of the times they just have you do frustrating and tedious algebra. The fact that is even more annoying is that for some reason 90% of instructors insist on continuing to use it when there are much better books out there for the undergrad level.

I've just come out of a year-long course on QM in which we were following Griffiths and despite making A's in both semesters and having read Griffiths from cover to cover, I do not feel confident about my understanding of QM at all. The two sources that did give me some semblance of a good exposition to the subject and made me feel like I was actually learning something were Zettili's book and the Balakrishnan lectures on youtube.
 
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Thanks every body! I got Zettili book as most of you suggested. It's just awesome! Quantum mechanic really needed this book for long time. Why anybody in Earth should bother to read Griffith
 
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dark.scalar said:
Thanks every body! I got Zettili book as most of you suggested. It's just awesome! Quantum mechanic really needed this book for long time. Why anybody in Earth should bother to read Griffith

Enjoy! I still have to suffer through the second semester of Griffiths myself. However, now that I have Zetilli, I am armed and dangerous :cool: Another comment, Griffiths' exercises are indeed quite useful and insightful. If you have both books and really want to learn QM solidly, read Zetilli, do exercises and then come back to ones (especially with 2-3 stars) in Griffiths.

Btw, speaking of bad books, there is a copy of Griffiths in the field of Thermal Physics. Specifically, its the title "Thermal Physics" by Daniel Schroeder. Compared to Griffiths, this book is even more of a joke (at times, literally, as he uses a magician with wand and a rabbit to explain concepts such as entropy, ethalpy, etc). Stay away! Instead, the books by Kittel and T.Hill (statistical mechanics) seem decent (especially so if you have already had some quantum mechanics).
 

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