Which car has greater momentum at the cliff's edge?

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The problem involves two cars at rest on a cliff's edge, with one car having twice the mass of the other. Both cars experience equal forces and accelerate over the same distance before falling off the cliff. The discussion centers around determining which car has greater momentum at the cliff's edge.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between mass, force, acceleration, and momentum, questioning how these factors interact given the conditions of the problem.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of mass and force on momentum, with participants discussing the time over which the force is applied and its effect on the velocities of the cars. Some participants express uncertainty about how to calculate velocity and momentum without complete information.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of information regarding the velocity of the cars and the specific time duration of force application, leading to varied interpretations of the problem's conditions.

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Homework Statement


Two cars are initially at rest on a horizontal parking lot at the edge of a steep cliff. Car 1 (HC) has twice as much mass as car 2 (TLC). Equal and constant forces are applied to each car and they accelerate across equal distance to the cliff. WE ignore the effects of friction. When they reach the far end of the lot, the force is suddenly removed, whereupon they sail through the air and crash to the ground below. Which car has the greater momentum at the cliff's edge?

Homework Equations


Impulse= force x time
Momentum= mass x velocity

The Attempt at a Solution


Since velocity is a factor of momentum, I would need to figure out the acceleration? However, I don't see that there is enough information to do that. My guess is that since car 1 has twice the mass, but the same force and time, it has more momentum. Car 2, has 1/2 the mass of car one, but the same force and time, so less momentum? This looks right. Anyone know for sure??
 
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You are correct that the change in momentum equals the force multiplied by the time the force is applied. So, to which car is the force applied for a longer time? That is, which car takes longer to cover the same distance?

That will answer your question. On the other hand, unlike what you wrote, mass certainly does enter the definition of momentum: p=mv.
 
The same force is applied to both cars for the same amount of time. With that being said, since I don't know the velocity, do I assume that since car 1 has twice the mass, it therefore has twice the momentum??
 
I guess, I'm not sure how to find the velocity without the information necessary; direction and speed. help please. I know this is probably easy but it is overwhelming to me!
 
No, the force is not applied for the same time, but over the same distance.
 
deanine3 said:
The same force is applied to both cars for the same amount of time. With that being said, since I don't know the velocity, do I assume that since car 1 has twice the mass, it therefore has twice the momentum??

The final velocities of the two cars will not be the same...
 
Maybe I'm starting to understand, since car 1 has twice the mass therefore, twice the inertia. It has the equal and constant force applied for a longer time period because it is slower to accelerate than car 2, with 1/2 the mass? Therefore, car 2, with half the mass, would have a greater velocity. So, even though the force applied is equal and constant, it is only until the cars reach the end of the cliff? Which will be faster for car 2.
 
That's right! So, car 2 experiences the same force for a shorter time. Hence...
 
So, car 2 has less momentum and car 1 has more momentum!
 
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Alrighty!
 
  • #11
Thank you for your help! I REALLY appreciate it. I am envious of your understanding of this foreign language.
 
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It took many years :-)
 

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