Which DNA and RNA bases contain a carbonyl group?W

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The discussion revolves around identifying which DNA and RNA bases contain a carbonyl group and which are primary amines. Participants explore the structural characteristics of these bases and clarify definitions related to functional groups.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks which DNA and RNA bases contain a carbonyl group and which are primary amines.
  • Another suggests listing the bases and examining their structural formulas.
  • A participant identifies adenine, guanine, and cytosine as primary amines but expresses uncertainty about the presence of a carbonyl group.
  • Definitions of a carbonyl group are discussed, with some participants asserting it is a carbon with a double bonded oxygen.
  • There is a correction regarding the definition of a carbonyl group, with one participant clarifying that it does not include hydroxyl or hydrogen atoms on the sides.
  • Some participants assert that guanine, cytosine, thymine, and uracil contain a carbonyl group, while others challenge the accuracy of this claim.
  • There is a disagreement about the proper definition of a carbonyl group and its application to the bases in question.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the definitions and characteristics of carbonyl groups as they relate to the bases. Multiple competing views remain regarding which bases contain carbonyl groups and the correct definition of the functional group.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of functional groups, and some participants express uncertainty about their understanding of the terms used.

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which DNA and RNA bases contain a carbonyl group?
Which DNA and RNA bases are primary amines?

Thanks for any help
 
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List the bases then take a look at their structural formulas.
 


i did that a came up with adenine, guanine, and cytosine as primary amines
but didnt get any with a carbonyl group? that can't be right tho
 


What is carbonyl group?
 


isnt it a carbon with a double bonded O, an OH and an H on each side
 


What you described is a formic acid (H-(C=O)-OH in SMILES). You are probably mistaking carbonyl for carboxyl.
 


so.. adenine, guanine, and cytosine are primary amines

& a carbonyl group is a Carbon with a double bonded O..so gaunine cytosine, thymine, uracil contain a carbonyl group...

CORRECT??
 


Borek said:
What you described is a formic acid (H-(C=O)-OH in SMILES). You are probably mistaking carbonyl for carboxyl.

No, wwwaazup is correct in calling it a carbonyl group. S/he's not describing formic acid. S/he's describing the functional group on a nucleic acid.

wwwaazup said:
so.. adenine, guanine, and cytosine are primary amines

& a carbonyl group is a Carbon with a double bonded O..so gaunine cytosine, thymine, uracil contain a carbonyl group...

CORRECT??
Yes, those are correct. You probably could have figured this out pretty easily on your own, since all it took was looking at the picture in your book, or looking in your book or lecture notes for the definition of a carbonyl group so you know what you're looking for. Putting more effort into finding those explanations on your own before coming here for help will help you to understand what you're learning better.
 


Moonbear said:
No, wwwaazup is correct in calling it a carbonyl group. S/he's not describing formic acid. S/he's describing the functional group on a nucleic acid.

I can be missing something, or can be my English fails me, but I think you are wrong.

wwwaazup said:
isnt it a carbon with a double bonded O, an OH and an H on each side

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First thing on the left is a carbonyl group. Just carbon, double bond and oxygen. No H on the side (as in aldehydes), no OH on the side (as in carboxylic acids). No both on both sides (as in formic acid).

Assuming that wwwaazup definition is OK, it requires that carbonyl is connected to either H or OH (or both). If so, none of the bases contain this kind of atom arrangement, as in all cases C=O is connected to either carbon and/or nitrogen atoms.

Proper definition of carbonyl should mention only carbon, oxygen and double bond. That's how it is defined in organic chemistry books.
 

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