Which Entropy Functions Are Not Extensive?

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The discussion focuses on identifying which entropy functions are not extensive based on the definitions provided. The functions S[1], S[2], and S[3] are analyzed in relation to their dependence on the number of particles (N) and volume (V) under constant temperature (T) and pressure (P). It is established that a property is extensive if it scales directly with the amount of material present, specifically examining the relationships in the equations involving natural logarithms. The key conclusion is that for a function to be extensive, it must demonstrate proportionality to N when T and P are held constant.

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  • Understanding of thermodynamic concepts, specifically extensivity and intensive properties.
  • Familiarity with entropy equations and their implications in thermodynamics.
  • Knowledge of natural logarithms and their application in physical equations.
  • Basic grasp of the principles of temperature and pressure in thermodynamic systems.
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  • Research the definitions and examples of extensive vs. intensive properties in thermodynamics.
  • Study the implications of the natural logarithm in thermodynamic equations, particularly in entropy calculations.
  • Explore the concept of proportionality in thermodynamic properties under constant conditions.
  • Examine case studies of entropy functions in various thermodynamic systems to identify extensive properties.
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Homework Statement


Which of the following are not extensive functions:

S[1] = (N/V)[S[0]+[C][v] ln(T) + R ln(V)]
S[2] = (N)[S[0]+[C][v] ln(T) + R ln(V/N)]
S[3] = ([N][/2])[S[0]+[C][v] ln(T) + R ln(V/N)]

2. Homework Equations
I'm not really sure how to approach this problem. The definition that I find for extensivity states: "At fixed pressure and temperature, if the amount of a substance N is changed by a factor λ, the volume V is also changed by the same factor"

The corresponding example for the definition shows that if a system S(U,V,N) is combined with an identical system then the result should be 2U,2V,2N.

First - I get hung up on the language of these statements quite often which is pretty discouraging. When the definition says "fixed temperature and pressure" and the forumlae have ln(T), how can I say that the system has a fixed temperature?

Second - Should I be determining the extensivity by doubing S, for instance 2(S[1]), or should I consider if in the formula for the system N and V scale by the same factor?

3. The Attempt at a Solution
Once again, I'm not sure how to begin here.

If someone could simply point me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated.
 
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First - I get hung up on the language of these statements quite often which is pretty discouraging. When the definition says "fixed temperature and pressure" and the forumlae have ln(T), how can I say that the system has a fixed temperature?
You assume that T and P are held constant, and you double the amount of material N. Then you determine whether the property in question doubles.
Second - Should I be determining the extensivity by doubing S, for instance 2(S[1]), or should I consider if in the formula for the system N and V scale by the same factor?
Again, you hold T and P constant, and see if the property in question is proportional to N.A property is considered an extensive property if, at constant temperature and pressure, the value of the property is directly proportional to the amount of the material present. At constant temperature and pressure, the system volume V, the system internal energy U, the system enthalpy H, and the system entropy S are all directly proportional to the amount of material you have.

In the case of S[1], is the ratio of N/V directly proportional to N? Is ln(V) = ln(NkT/P) directly proportional to N?

In the case of S[2], at constant temperature and pressure, is the value of S[2] directly proportional to N?

In the case of S[3], at constant temperature and pressure, is the value of S[3] directly proportional to N?

Chet
 

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