Which Fall Schedule Option Should I Choose as a Math and Physics Major at MSU?

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The discussion revolves around a math and physics double major at Michigan State University who is trying to decide between two scheduling options for the upcoming fall semester. The focus is on the implications of each choice for future coursework and preparation for graduate studies, particularly in physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if the main interest is physics and there are plans for graduate school, option 1 (Quantum Physics I and Honors Algebra I) may be more beneficial due to its relevance to the physics GRE.
  • Another participant notes that quantum mechanics involves a significant amount of linear algebra, differential equations, and probability, while electromagnetism is more similar to mechanics and relies heavily on vector calculus.
  • A further explanation is provided about the content of the abstract algebra and real analysis courses, emphasizing the depth of study in algebraic systems and the rigorous nature of analysis.
  • The original poster expresses a preference for option 2 (Electricity and Magnetism I and Intro to Advanced Analysis) but later indicates a shift towards option 1 after considering the advice regarding the GRE.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present differing viewpoints on which option is preferable, with some advocating for option 1 based on GRE preparation and others suggesting that personal interest in the subject matter should guide the decision. The discussion remains unresolved as the original poster contemplates the advice given.

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Participants highlight the importance of considering future coursework and standardized testing in their decision-making process. There is an acknowledgment of the different mathematical foundations required for each physics course, which may influence the effectiveness of learning in subsequent semesters.

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Students majoring in math and physics, particularly those considering graduate studies, may find this discussion relevant as it addresses course selection and the implications of different academic paths.

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Hello,
I am a math and physics double major and a junior at Michigan State University. I have already taken introductory physics, the first semster of classical mechanics, a course in thermodynamics and modern physics, and linear algebra (along with the basic calculus and diff eq courses) I have recently decided to begin the advanced track program in mathematics which is supposed to be much more difficult than the normal math degree. This fall, I am having a difficult time deciding which schedule would be best for me. I definitely have to take Chemistry 142, and Classical Mechanics II (Phy 422).
I have two different options for which other two classes to take.

Option 1:

Quantum Physics I (Phy 471)

Description: Schroedinger equation, hydrogen atom, harmonic oscillator, and other one-dimensional systems.

and

Honors Algebra I (MTH 418H)

Description: Theory of groups, Sylow theory, the structure of finite Abelian groups, ring theory, ideals, homomorphisms, and polynomial rings.

or Option 2:

Electricity and Magnetism I (Phy 481)

Description: Electrostatics, dielectrics, magnetic fields of steady state currents, Faraday law of induction.

and

Intro to Advanced Analysis (MTH 327H)

Description: Real and complex numbers, limits of sequences and series, continuity, differentiation, Riemann integration of functions over R, uniform convergence.

Now if I take option 1 that means i have to take the second semester of quantum and algebra the following semester. If I take option 2 that means I have to take the second semester of E&M and Analysis the following semester. And each way I will have to wait until the following year to study the other option courses.

I am leaning toward taking option 2 (E&M and Analysis) simply because this is my first semester taking an advanced math course and I think Analysis would be the better course to take first. Also I feel that Analysis would help me with my understanding of calculus, which I will be using extensively in my physics courses.

My advisor is recommending that I take option 1 (Quantum and Algebra)

Any advice would be much appreciated.

Thank you
 
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If your main interest is physics, and you are considering grad school, I would suggest option 1.

You will to start thinking about the physics GRE if you plan to continue physics studies. Some 1st semester quantum mechanics will appear on the physics GRE, however, very little 4th year E&M will appear. So, I think putting E&M off until your last year will potentially be less troublesome.
 
My advice is to choose based on what sort of math you like more.

Quantum uses a lot of linear algebra, differential equations, probability, and a little abstract algebra.

Electromagnetism is much more similar to mechanics than quantum is. It relies more on vector calculus and differential equations. The reliance on PDEs in electromagnetism is much less than in quantum.

Regarding the math courses, I'll give you a description of what sort of thing you study in the course.

For abstract algebra, you study types of algebraic systems: groups, rings, fields, modules, vector spaces, etc... If you've already taken linear algebra you should know about vector spaces. A lot of different objects can be made into vector spaces: tuples of real numbers, matrices of real numbers, continuous functions from R->R, infinite sequences of complex numbers. The same applies to the other algebraic classifications. A lot of different objects are rings or fields or whatever, so it's useful to learn about all of them at once by studying the algebraic properties that they have in common.

For (real) analysis, you study the real numbers in depth. My first week real analysis assignment involved proving the existence of logarithms. Then we did a bit of topology and learned to deal with limit properly. For example, proving that lim n->infty (n)^(1/n) -> 1. After that we studying some of the properties of continuous functions, then on to proving various differentiation rules, FTC, MVT, IVT, etc. Then Defining integrals and proving various integration rules, then sequences of functions.

Pick whatever sounds interesting to you now and study that.
 
Thanks so much for your comments. In light of this i suppose i will probably go with option 1 and wait for next year to do the other classes. I hadn't even thought of the GRE when putting together my schedule. Thanks for that reminder!
 

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