Which Iceboat Finishes with Greater Momentum?

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The problem involves two iceboats of different masses racing on a frictionless surface, both subjected to the same force. The original poster seeks to determine which boat has greater momentum at the finish line and to show a specific relationship between their momenta.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to relate kinetic energy and momentum, questioning the implications of mass on momentum. Some participants suggest reevaluating the algebraic steps taken in the reasoning, particularly regarding the relationships between the velocities of the two boats.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's reasoning, offering corrections and clarifications on the algebra involved in equating kinetic energies. There is a productive exchange of ideas aimed at refining the understanding of the relationships between mass, velocity, and momentum.

Contextual Notes

There is an assumption that both boats experience the same force over the same distance, leading to the same work done on each boat. The discussion also highlights potential confusion regarding the application of kinetic energy equations and their implications for momentum.

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Homework Statement


Two iceboats hold a race on a frictionless horizontal lake. The two iceboats have masses m and 2m. Each iceboats has an identical sail, so the wind exerts the same constant force F on each boat. The two ice boats start from rest and cross the finish line a distance s away. The total work done to accelerate each of the boats from rest are the same (because the net force and displacement were the same for both). Hence both iceboats cross the finish line with the same kinetic energy.

a)Which iceboat crosses the finish line with greater momentum?

b)Can you show that the iceboat with mass 2m has √2 times as much momentum at the finish line as the iceboat of mass m?


Homework Equations


J = p2-p1=ƩFΔt
p=mv
K=(1/2)mv2
W=Fds


The Attempt at a Solution


I know that the boat with mass 2m will have greater momentum crossing the finish line by realizing the boat with the larger mass will take a longer amount of time for it to travel from rest to a distance s. Thus the impulse from the larger boat will be bigger. Since the iceboat starts
from rest, this equals the iceboat's momentum p at the finish line:
P=FΔt.

Im having trouble with part b of the problem. This is my thought process:

Both boats will cross the finish line with the same kinetic energy
∴ (1/2)mv2=(1/2)(2m)[(1\2)v2

Half, of the heavier boat's, square speed must be equal to the square of the lighter one for the kinetic relation to be true. If this is the case then,
can't I make new relation of speeds? what I mean is:
(1/2)vheavier2=vlighter2
after some algebra → (vheavier)/√2 = vlighter


so

pheavier=2mvheavier
plighter=mvlighter


so to find how much larger the momentum of the heavier boat is to divide the two using the substitution of the lighter velocity:
(2m)(vheavier)/[(mvheavier)/√2] = 2√2


why is my quantity two times larger than it should be?
 
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Equating the kinetic energies was a right choice... But the simplification was a bit confusing...
learnitall said:
(1/2)vheavier2=vlighter2
after some algebra → (vheavier)/√2 = vlighter
This is where it went wrong. It has to be √2vheavier=vlighter...
Other than that everything is fine, check your calculations and you will be on your way...
Regards
 
Abhilash H N said:
This is where it went wrong.
I think it went wrong a little earlier.
(1/2)mv2=(1/2)(2m)[(1\2)v2
To clarify
(1/2)mvlight2=(1/2)(2m)vheavy2
Take it forwards from there.
 
Ah, i see now. I didnt need that extra (1/2) factor. I also understand why I didnt need it. Thanks guys
 

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