Solving Block & Spool: Finishing Line & Work-Energy

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The problem involves a block and a spool being pulled across a frictionless surface by a string, with questions regarding their finishing times, work done on each, and their kinetic energies. The context includes concepts from mechanics, specifically Newton's laws and the work-energy theorem.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of equal mass and force on the block and spool, questioning whether they will cross the finish line simultaneously. There is confusion regarding the work done on each mass and the contributions of translational versus rotational kinetic energy.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered hints and alternative viewpoints regarding the work done on the spool compared to the block, suggesting that the unwinding of the string may lead to different distances being covered by the pulling force. Multiple interpretations of the work-energy relationship are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the effects of rotational motion on the total kinetic energy of the spool and questioning the assumptions about the forces acting on both masses. There is an ongoing examination of the definitions and implications of work in this scenario.

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Homework Statement


A block and a spool are each pulled across a level, frictionless surface by a string.
The string wrapped around the spool will unwind as it is pulled.
Both the block and the spool have the same mass and are pulled with the same constant tension.

Which will cross the finish line (distance: d) first?
Which mass had more work done on it?
Which mass has a larger total kinetic energy and which has a larger translational kinetic energy?

Homework Equations


Newton's second law: Fnet = ma
Work-Energy Theorem: W = KEf - KEi

The Attempt at a Solution


I get that the blocks will cross the finish line at the same time, they are pulled by the same force and their masses are equal, therefor both the spool and the block have the same accelerations. (NII law)

For the work and kinetic energy questions I am a bit confused:
The equation for work is: Work = Force*Distance*cos(theta)

--- Both of the mass were pulled by the same force over the same distance so wouldn't the work done on each be identical?
But then, using the work energy theorem: Work = KEf - KEi
I get something different. The spool should have more kinetic energy at the instant it crosses the finish line due to their equivalent translational kinetic energies (velocities are also the same), but the the spool also has rotational kinetic energy, making its total kinetic energy greater than that of the block.---?
 
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Hello Zach, :welcome:
Zach_Sch said:
Both of the mass were pulled by the same force over the same distance
You sure about that ? Hint: look at this from the viewpoint of the pulling force at the other end of the string that is being pulled...
 
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BvU said:
Hello Zach, :welcome:
You sure about that ? Hint: look at this from the viewpoint of the pulling force at the other end of the string that is being pulled...

So the spool's string will unwind and the hand pulling on it will move farther than the hand pulling on the block?
Thus making the spool require more work over the distance (higher KE due to rotational + translational).
 
Zach_Sch said:
So the spool's string will unwind and the hand pulling on it will move farther than the hand pulling on the block?
Thus making the spool require more work over the distance (higher KE due to rotational + translational).
Yes.
 
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