Which Math Course Should Take Priority?

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The discussion revolves around the decision-making process for a pure math major considering which upper division course to prioritize: abstract algebra or classical mechanics. The scope includes considerations of academic and career implications, particularly in relation to applied mathematics, dynamical systems, and climate modeling.

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  • One participant argues that classical mechanics is essential for understanding dynamical systems and is highly applicable, suggesting it should take priority.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of abstract algebra for any mathematician, stating that familiarity with groups and rings is crucial.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that while abstract algebra may not be immediately necessary, it provides foundational knowledge that enhances understanding of other mathematical concepts.
  • Some participants propose that the choice between the two courses could reflect the direction of the individual's career path, with abstract algebra leaning towards a mathematician's role and classical mechanics towards a mathematically-trained scientist's role.
  • One participant warns against making decisions based solely on initial impressions of the subjects, advocating for a deeper exploration of both fields before concluding their relevance.

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Participants express differing opinions on the importance of abstract algebra versus classical mechanics, with no consensus reached on which course should take priority. Some emphasize the necessity of abstract algebra for a mathematician, while others argue for the practical applications of classical mechanics.

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Participants highlight the potential implications of their course choice on future career paths, but there is no agreement on the necessity or utility of either subject in all contexts. The discussion reflects a range of assumptions about the relevance of abstract algebra in applied mathematics.

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Hey all,

I'm currently a pure math major, though I'm leaning towards going to grad school for applied math, specifically dynamical systems and climate modeling. This semester, upper division abstract algebra and upper division classical mechanics are only offered in the same time-slot. I know abstract algebra isn't *that* important for applied mathematicians, but it's still very fundamental material that every mathematician should have familiarity with.

Which of these courses should take priority? I can make a case for both: the case for mechanics is that it's very basic physics and highly applicable to dynamical systems. The case for abstract is that it's also very basic, but for math in general, and also since I just took linear algebra and it's the natural sequel to that course.
 
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I think classical mechanics is pretty essential. I'd take that. Its entirely possible to do climate simulations without abstract (a professor is an example). Still if there is anyway to do both I'd do that.
 
have you taken any algebra at all? If not, then you should take algebra without a second thought.. if you want to be any kind of mathematician, you will definitely need to know about algebra.
 
wisvuze said:
have you taken any algebra at all?

I've taken linear algebra.
 
diligence said:
I've taken linear algebra.

You can't call yourself a mathematician if you didn't take abstract algebra... You should at least know something about groups and rings. Even if you'll never need it again.

Abstract algebra isn't as useless as you think it is though. It's very likely you'll never need it, but you never know.
 
Abstract algebra is the proper language for many concepts in linear algebra, calculus/analysis and discrete math. If you don't have any abstract algebra under your belt, you don't really understand any of the mathematics that you've studied.
 
You should read the Wikipedia articles on abstract algebra out of curiosity. However, it does not appear to be nearly as necessary for you to grind through in detail as much as the other subject, so take the other.
 
Thanks for all the responses. I think the choice I'm presented with this semester is, if you will, some sort of vague sign that will indicate the direction of my career path, in that choosing algebra will pave the way towards becoming a mathematician, while choosing mechanics will nudge me towards the career of a mathematically-trained scientist. In consideration of the opinions expressing the importance of algebra, I'll keep a thorough treatment of the subject high on my list of academic priorities. However, I think my current aspirations would be much better served by the earliest possible development of physical intuition, so that classical mechanics is likely the wisest choice in my situation.
 
I will add that if you take subject X, and it does NOT click for you as much, it could nudge you in the OPPOSITE direction. Never make decisions based on introductions. Go a bit deeper. Both of these subjects can be useful in various directions, and one mistake often made is oversimplifying what a field consists of.
 

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