Which method is correct for finding the derivative of y = x^x - C and why?

[Hertz]

I promise guys, no homework here, just curiosity.

I am trying to find dy/dx for the equation y = x^x - C, where C is any arbitrary constant. I've found two ways that SHOULD be ok to take this derivative, but they produce different answers, I was wondering which method is correct and which method is incorrect. Also, why? It seems to me that both of these methods should be ok. Anyways, here they are:

Method 1:
y = x^x - C
ln(y) = ln(x^x - C)
ln(y) = \frac{x ln(x)}{ln(C)}
Now take the derivative:
\frac{\frac{dy}{dx}}{y}=\frac{1}{ln(C)}(x ln(x))'
Using the Product Rule, it can be seen that (x ln(x))' = ln(x) + 1. Therefore:
\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{y}{ln(C)}(ln(x) + 1)
\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{x^x}{ln(C)}(ln(x) + 1)

Method 2:
y = x^x - C
y' = (x^x)' - C'
y' = (x^x)'
(x^x)' can be evaluated using method 1 for the equation y = x^x
\frac{dy}{dx} = x^x(ln(x) + 1)

Method one seems a bit less hand wavy, so I'm more confident in it; however, the derivative shouldn't depend on C, so that makes me lean more toward Method 2.

Anybody have any input they'd be willing to share?

 

[jedishrfu]

rewrite x as e^ln(x) to e^(xln(x)) and then use the rule d/dx (e^u) = e^u * u'

 

[Ibix]

\ln(a-b)\neq\ln a/\ln b. If I were you I'd just try to rewrite the x^x as e^{f(x)}.

 

[Hertz]

rewrite x as e^ln(x) to e^(xln(x)) and then use the rule d/dx (e^u) = e^u * u'

Rewrite which x? Both? In the original or in the derivative?

Are you saying to do this?:

y = x^x - C
e^y = e^{x^x - C} = e^{x^x}/e^C

And then differentiate?

\ln(a-b)\neq\ln a/\ln b. If I were you I'd just try to rewrite the x^x as e^{f(x)}.

Oh right! I was getting the rule backwards it seems.

So would method 2 be the one that is correct then?

y = x^x can be differentiated pretty easily with implicit differentiation.

 

[eumyang]

rewrite x as e^ln(x) to e^(xln(x)) and then use the rule d/dx (e^u) = e^u * u'

Rewrite which x? Both? In the original or in the derivative?

Are you saying to do this?:

y = x^x - C
e^y = e^{x^x - C} = e^{x^x}/e^C

And then differentiate?

jedishrfu is saying that
x = e^{\ln x}
so
x^x = \left(e^{\ln x}\right)^x = e^{x\ln x}

So what you need to take the derivative of is this:
y = e^{x\ln x} - C
and you won't need to worry about implicit differentiation.

 

[Hertz]

jedishrfu is saying that
x = e^{\ln x}
so
x^x = \left(e^{\ln x}\right)^x = e^{x\ln x}

So what you need to take the derivative of is this:
y = e^{x\ln x} - C
and you won't need to worry about implicit differentiation.

Oh I see, well let's try:

y = e^{x\ln x} - C
\frac{dy}{dx} = (e^{x\ln x})'
\frac{dy}{dx} = e^{x\ln x}(ln(x) + 1)
\frac{dy}{dx} = x^x(ln(x) + 1)

Thanks for the help guys. I think the only problem I was having was mixing up my logarithm properties :)

 

[HallsofIvy]

The derivative of an added or subtracted constant is 0 so the derivative of
y= x^x- C is exactly the same as the derivative of y= x^x. Now, y= x ln(x) so dy/dx= ln(x)- (x/x)= ln(x)- 1.

 

[haruspex]

The derivative of an added or subtracted constant is 0 so the derivative of
y= x^x- C is exactly the same as the derivative of y= x^x. Now, y= x ln(x) so dy/dx= ln(x)- (x/x)= ln(x)- 1.

I think you meant: ln(y)= x ln(x) so (dy/dx)/y = ln(x) + (x/x)= ln(x)+ 1 (Note: +, not -).
This leads to the same answer as in the OP by Method 2.
Method 1 went wrong after the second line. ln(A-B) is not ln(A)/ln(B). Must be thinking of ln(A/B) = ln(A) - ln(B) (or, equivalently, exp(A-B) = exp(A)/exp(B)).