Which Physics Textbook is Best for Undergrads?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around recommendations for undergraduate physics textbooks, focusing on the need for comprehensive coverage of physics concepts, examples, and problems. Participants express preferences for certain styles of textbooks, including those that avoid modern physics topics.

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  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a textbook that covers a wide range of physics topics without delving into modern physics, emphasizing the need for both algebraic and calculus-based problems.
  • Another participant recommends "Halliday, Resnick and Walker" as a suitable textbook, noting its use in undergraduate courses in Edinburgh, but points out potential availability issues in the United States.
  • A different participant questions the exclusion of modern physics, arguing that quantum mechanics is foundational and that the distinction between algebraic and calculus-based problems is essential for problem-solving.
  • Some participants suggest "Fundamentals of Physics Extended" by Resnick as a recommended textbook, with one noting the intention to also acquire a solutions manual.
  • Concerns are raised about the quality of international editions of textbooks, which may be cheaper but have lower quality materials.
  • There is a suggestion to consider older editions of textbooks that include additional mathematical rigor and content, specifically mentioning the inclusion of Krane's work.
  • Some participants express a preference for the Resnick/Krane book over other editions, citing its rigor compared to newer versions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of opinions on the best textbook, with no consensus reached. Some favor specific titles while others challenge the criteria for selection, particularly regarding the inclusion of modern physics.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the importance of personal style in selecting textbooks and the variability in textbook quality based on editions and regional availability. There are references to the need for textbooks to meet different educational requirements, which may influence recommendations.

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Students seeking undergraduate physics textbooks, educators looking for recommendations, and individuals interested in the debate over textbook content and style in physics education.

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Hello,

The current coursepack that was recommended by our professor just isn't cutting it. It explains the basic concepts of general physics very well (up to nuclear fission/reactions). However, it does not do a very good job explaining the mathematic problems in physics.

I am looking for a great undergraduate textbook that provides plenty of physics concepts, pictures, examples, and problems. NO MODERN PHYSICS (i.e. quantum mechanics, string theory, etc.)

Calculus-based is fine, but I am looking for algebraic problems as well. A book that covers all subjects of physics up to modern-day. Heck, it can even include modern-day physics as well as it extensively covers everything else. I'M LOOKING FOR THE "BEST"!

Any suggestions?

Thanks.
 
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Halliday, Resnick and Walker is good. It is recommended for all UnderGrad physics courses at Edinburgh up to 3rd year, and we even use it occasionally in 4th year.

If you're in the states however, then you might have a problem, as all the editions I have seen it has "NOT FOR SALE IN THE UNITED STATES" printed on the front cover. I think the 8th Edition has just come out.

Hope that's of some help.
Gordon
 
"I am looking for a great undergraduate textbook that provides plenty of physics concepts, pictures, examples, and problems. NO MODERN PHYSICS (i.e. quantum mechanics, string theory, etc.)

Calculus-based is fine, but I am looking for algebraic problems as well. A book that covers all subjects of physics up to modern-day. Heck, it can even include modern-day physics as well as it extensively covers everything else. I'M LOOKING FOR THE "BEST"!"

I'm sorry but I don't like the sound of that. No modern physics? Why? (And quantum mechanics is ~100 years old, on that token - not to mention highly important, where string theory is very advanced theoretical work there tend to be courses introducing quantum mechanical concepts in the start of an undergraduate degree.)

Your point about calculus-based and algebraic problems is misguided. The difference between algebraic and calculus based work isn't a case of personal style - its a requirement to solve a problem so I will hasten to say that all textbooks will use such methods when required since there may simply be no other way to reasonably solve a problem.

Having said that, you are asking for a recommendation on a textbook - I would say the Resnick book is good and also Young and Freedman is worth having a look at, both of which should cover the first couple of years in undergraduate anyway. That aside, the best way to find a good textbook tends to be without spending lots of money - get into the library and find a bunch of undergraduate textbooks, compare a particular subject in each if you have to, but its well worth putting effort into find out exactly what kind of style suits you best.
 
Alright, thanks for the help and the unneeded criticism.

I looked at my schedule for next semester and it recommends getting the book: Fundamentals of Physics Extended by: Resnick.

The same one that you recommended Flashgordy, thank you! I suppose I'll pick up the solutions manual as well while I'm at it
 
Those "NOT FOR SALE IN THE UNITED STATES" editions are just the cheaper version that is sold in other countries--often with lower quality paper, cheaper printing, or no color illustrations.

Other countries seem to limit the textbook cost. Here in the US, it is not uncommon for us to pay $100-$200 for a math or science textbook, and those "International Version" texts usually cost a fifth as much.
 
FlashGordy said:
Halliday, Resnick and Walker is good. It is recommended for all UnderGrad physics courses at Edinburgh up to 3rd year, and we even use it occasionally in 4th year.

If you're in the states however, then you might have a problem, as all the editions I have seen it has "NOT FOR SALE IN THE UNITED STATES" printed on the front cover. I think the 8th Edition has just come out.

Hope that's of some help.
Gordon

Ryo124 said:
Alright, thanks for the help and the unneeded criticism.

I looked at my schedule for next semester and it recommends getting the book: Fundamentals of Physics Extended by: Resnick.

The same one that you recommended Flashgordy, thank you! I suppose I'll pick up the solutions manual as well while I'm at it
no no no the editions sans krane are very very math sparse. get one of the older editions with krane. they much more rigorous and have many more words and less pictures.
 
ice109 said:
no no no the editions sans krane are very very math sparse. get one of the older editions with krane. they much more rigorous and have many more words and less pictures.

Get the Resnick/Krane book? I think I'll just get the book that my class recommends and I'll check out alternatives if it doesn't "cut it". :wink:
 
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Ryo124 said:
Get the Resnick/Krane book? I think I'll just get the book that my class recommends and I'll check out alternatives if it doesn't "cut it". :wink:

yes get the resnick halliday krane book. i have both. the fundamentals book is dumbed down.
 

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