Which points in the domain of f are differentiable and what is their derivative?

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The discussion revolves around the differentiability of the function defined piecewise, where \( f(x) = e^{-x}\sin(x) \) for specific intervals and \( f(x) = 0 \) otherwise. Participants are tasked with identifying the inner points of the domain where the function is differentiable and determining the derivative at those points.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the concept of inner points and differentiability, questioning the conditions under which the derivative exists. There is discussion about the limits of the derivative at specific points and the implications of the function's piecewise definition.

Discussion Status

Several participants have provided insights into the nature of differentiability, with some suggesting that differentiable points can be identified by examining limits. Questions remain regarding the specific points to consider and the definitions involved, indicating an ongoing exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on the definition of inner points and the implications of the function's behavior at the boundaries of its defined intervals. Participants express uncertainty about certain terms and the approach to identifying non-differentiable points.

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Homework Statement



Let f be ##f:[0,\infty]\rightarrow \mathbb R
\\
f(x):=
\begin{cases}
e^{-x}sin(x), \ if \ \ x\in[2k\pi,(2k+1)\pi] for \ a \ k \in \mathbb N_0 \\
0 \ \ otherwise\\
\end{cases}##

Exercise: Determine all inner points of the domain where f is also differentiable and determine f' at these points.

The Attempt at a Solution


Idea:

Since we only need to look at inner differentiable points, we can look at points all points where f'(x) = 0. These are the only differentiable points because this is where the second case of f is a constant i.e. f'(x') = 0 for all x' in the second case. So we need to look for the points in the first case, where f'(x'')=0 and x'' is in these closed intervals for the first case. These are the differentiable inner points.

If I am on the right track, then I am wondering how I could find all of the points where that is valid for the first case of f.
 
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mk9898 said:

Homework Statement



Let f be ##f:[0,\infty]\rightarrow \mathbb R
\\
f(x):=
\begin{cases}
e^{-x}sin(x), \ if \ \ x\in[2k\pi,(2k+1)\pi] for \ a \ k \in \mathbb N_0 \\
0 \ \ otherwise\\
\end{cases}##

Exercise: Determine all inner points of the domain where f is also differentiable and determine f' at these points.

The Attempt at a Solution


Idea:

Since we only need to look at inner differentiable points, we can look at points all points where f'(x) = 0. These are the only differentiable points because this is where the second case of f is a constant i.e. f'(x') = 0 for all x' in the second case. So we need to look for the points in the first case, where f'(x'')=0 and x'' is in these closed intervals for the first case. These are the differentiable inner points.

If I am on the right track, then I am wondering how I could find all of the points where that is valid for the first case of f.

By "inner point" do you mean an interior point of the domain, i.e., not on a boundary?
I am not sure what you mean by ##N_0## either. I am assuming whole numbers.

Anyway, it appears that the function is defined for non-negative reals so a point x is interior if x > 0. All you need to do is figure out at what points ##lim_{x\to0^+}f'(x)\neq lim_{x\to0^-}f'(x)##. All other x > 0 are differentiable points.
 
Yes inner point = interior point. N_0 is natural numbers + 0.

I thought that all points that fulfill ##\lim_{x \to 0} f'(x) = 0## are the differentiable points?
 
Could you also explain, why I should only consider as x ->0 and not other values?
 
mk9898 said:
Could you also explain, why I should only consider as x ->0 and not other values?
Sorry, I wrote that incorrectly. What I meant to say was, the non-differentiable points will be the values ##x'## such that
##lim_{x\to x'^+}f'(x)\neq lim_{x\to x'^-}f'(x)##.
 
tnich said:
Sorry, I wrote that incorrectly. What I meant to say was, the non-differentiable points will be the values ##x'## such that
##lim_{x\to x'^+}f'(x)\neq lim_{x\to x'^-}f'(x)##.
I'm a little uncomfortable with that, too, since it assumes a derivative exists over some ball about x', except for maybe at x' itself. So a better test would be one using the definition of derivative:
##f'(x) \equiv lim_{Δx\to0} \frac {f(x+Δx) - f(x)}{Δx}##
So if you can show
##lim_{Δx\to0^+} \frac {f(x+Δx) - f(x)}{Δx} = lim_{Δx\to0^-} \frac {f(x+Δx) - f(x)}{Δx}##
then ##f(x)## is differentiable at ##x##.
 

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