Which Root Is Correct in Analytical Chemistry Equilibria?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the determination of the correct root from polynomial equations in analytical chemistry equilibria, particularly in contexts such as calculating the extent of a reaction or determining proton concentrations in acid-base systems. Participants explore the criteria for selecting the appropriate root among multiple solutions, considering physical relevance and constraints.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the smallest real, positive root is always the correct solution in equilibrium situations, suggesting that it must be real and positive, and possibly smaller than a certain upper limit.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism, stating they have never encountered a system with more than one physically meaningful solution.
  • A follow-up inquiry asks if the "smallest real positive root" rule is universally applicable and seeks examples where it might fail, particularly in complex polynomial scenarios.
  • Another participant emphasizes that solving for various concentrations involves multiple equations, all of which must be positive and subject to additional restrictions, implying that these factors influence the selection of the correct root.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of the smallest real positive root as a rule, with some suggesting it may not always hold true. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the conditions under which this rule may fail.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various restrictions on concentrations and the need to consider multiple equations, but specific limitations or assumptions are not fully articulated.

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If a polynomial equation is solved for multiple roots in a system of equilibria (e.g. calculating extent of a reaction, or solving for [H+] in a complicated acid-base system, to give two basic examples) how do we know which, among the roots, is the correct solution (e.g. the correct extent or the correct proton concentration for the two cases above)?

Is it always (in analytical chemistry/equilibrium situations) the smallest real, positive root which is the one we should take? We can assume the root which correctly represents the solution must be real and positive (and often, smaller than a certain upper limit we can impose, as e.g. in the case of extent) but must it be the smallest, and if not, how do we choose the correct root?
 
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So far I have never seen a system form which there will be more than one solution having physical sense.
 
Neither extent, nor when solving for a concentration? Well you would know... it's surprising that this would be the case even for complicated systems, 8,9,10 degree polynomials etc.

So in your experience does the "smallest real positive root" 'rule' always work, or when will it not be physically acceptable? Of course in extent there will only be an upper limit (=number of moles of limiting reagent / stoichiometric coefficient of reagent), lower limit is 0. any situation where this rule doesn't work, off the top of your head?
 
In all these cases you are solving a system of equations for various concentrations, not just one. All these concentrations are restricted to be positive and eventually there are other restrictions, too. If you take them all into account you will select the correct root of the equation.
 

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