Which Statement is Correct: Ram & Shyam Work & Power

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The problem involves two individuals, Ram and Shyam, who climb a hill with the same mass but reach the top in different times. The question asks which statement regarding their work and power is correct, given their differing times to complete the climb.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between work, power, and potential energy, questioning how the differences in time affect the work done by each individual. Some explore the implications of using different equations, such as F=ma and the concept of potential energy (mgh).

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants offering insights into the relationship between force, work, and energy. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in determining the work done by each individual, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that both individuals have the same mass and displacement, but their differing times to reach the top may imply different forces or power outputs. There is a consideration of how the assumptions about acceleration and energy contribute to the overall understanding of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Ram and Shyam both climb a hill.
They have the same mass.
Ram wins the race and reaches in 5 Minutes but shyam reaches in 7 mins.Choose the correct Statement:

A)Ram and shyam do the same work but exert different power
B)Ram and shyam do different work and exert different power
C)Ram and shyam do different work but same different power


Homework Equations


F=ma Work=F*S power=Work/Displacement


The Attempt at a Solution


Work=F*S
=ma*S
both have same mass and displacement... however the acceleration maybe equal or unequal
hence we cannot say if work is equal and consequently we cannot say if power is equal or unequal..

But this seems to deviate from the options provided in the question!
 
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Hey pratyushag.

For this one the first thing that comes to mind is that the potential energy used to take both people up the mountain should be the same if the path is the same.

The only thing is though that the rate is different which will affect the work done.

Does this help you?
 
I understand what you are saying at first the same concept of mgh came to my mind but then i started thinking F=ma should also work here... but why isn't that giving an answer?
 
Think of integrating force with respect to distance (which is work). If the time is smaller for the same path, what does this imply about the force? (given that the distance is the same)?
 
pratyushag said:
I understand what you are saying at first the same concept of mgh came to my mind but then i started thinking F=ma should also work here... but why isn't that giving an answer?
Using force makes it unnecessarily complicated for this, but here's what would happen.
Briefly, Ram would accelerate more than Shyam. Once up to speed, neither is accelerating. The work they are doing is in overcoming gravity, which is the same for both. The initial little extra work that Ram did has gone into giving him extra kinetic energy.
As they near the top, Ram decelerates more than Shyam does, so does a little less work near the end. This exactly compensates the extra work he did at the beginning.
 

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