Which Unitary Matrices Keep A - UBU† Positive Definite?

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The discussion centers around the conditions under which the matrix \( A - UBU^{\dagger} \) remains positive definite, given that \( A \) and \( B \) are positive definite matrices and their difference \( A - B \) is also positive definite. Participants explore theoretical aspects, mathematical reasoning, and specific examples related to unitary matrices.

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  • One participant defines positive definiteness in terms of eigenvalues and expresses uncertainty about whether the problem can be solved without checking all unitary matrices.
  • Another participant suggests using the inner product definition of positive definiteness to analyze the condition for \( A - B \) being positive definite.
  • A specific example is provided where matrices \( A \) and \( B \) are defined, and it is shown that \( A - UBU^{\dagger} \) is not positive definite for a particular unitary matrix \( U \), indicating potential pitfalls in the general case.
  • A further contribution proposes a representation of positive matrices in the \( 2 \times 2 \) case using Pauli matrices and discusses conditions for positivity in terms of traces and vector angles, while expressing uncertainty about the generalizability of this approach.
  • Another participant agrees with the previous insights and emphasizes the importance of examining how unitary transformations affect eigenvalues, noting that while the trace condition is necessary, it is not sufficient for positive definiteness.

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Participants express various viewpoints and approaches to the problem, with no consensus reached on a definitive solution or method. There are competing ideas regarding the applicability of certain mathematical properties and representations.

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Some limitations include the dependence on specific definitions of positive definiteness, the potential complexity of the problem, and the unresolved nature of the general case beyond the provided examples.

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An Hermitian matrix [tex]H[/tex] is positive definite if all its eigenvalues are nonzero and positive. Assume that the matrices [tex]A,B[/tex] are positve definite, and that the difference [tex]A-B[/tex] is positve definite. Now, for which unitary matrices, [tex]U[/tex], is it true that the matrix [tex]A-UBU^{\dagger}[/tex] is positve definite.

I haven't been able to solve this problems, and I'm not sure if it is because it is to difficult (i.e. the only way to solve it is to check for all [tex]U[/tex]) or because I'm to incompetent. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

/David
 
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I haven't bothered to try this out fully so I may be going up a blind alley, but how about the definition of positive definite involving the inner product, i.e. [tex](Ax,x) > 0[/tex] for all [tex]x[/tex] in the vector space [tex]V[/tex]? Then, [tex]((A-B)x,x) > 0[/tex] if [tex]A - B[/tex] is to be positive definite.
 
I deleted, and then resubmitted this post:

Here is a start:

A = [tex]\left[ \begin {array}{cc} 2 &0 \\ 0 &3 \end {array} \right][/tex]
B = [tex]\left[ \begin {array}{cc} 1 &0 \\ 0 &2 \end {array} \right][/tex]
U = [tex]\left[ \begin {array}{cc} 0 &1 \\ 1 &0 \end {array} \right][/tex]

A is positive definite, B is positive definite, A - B is positive definite, but [tex]A - UBU^{-1}[/tex] is not positive definite.

This points to what can go wrong in the general case.
 
I think I have solved the problem for the [tex]2\times2[/tex] case. A positive matrix [tex]A[/tex] can in this case be expressed as:

[tex] <br /> A=\frac{\mbox{Tr}(A)}{2}(I+r_x \sigma_x+r_y\sigma_y + r_z \sigma_z), <br /> [/tex]

where [tex]\sigma_x, \sigma_y, \sigma_z[/tex] are the standard Pauli matrices, and [tex]\bar{r}_a=(r_x,r_y,r_z)[/tex] is a 3-vector of length less than one. This means that the difference between the matrices [tex]A[/tex] and [tex]UBU^{\dagger}[/tex] is positive iff

[tex] <br /> \frac{\mbox{Tr}(A)-\mbox{Tr}(B)}{2} \geq \frac{|\mbox{Tr}(A)\bar{r}_a-<br /> \mbox{Tr}(B)\bar{r}_b|}{2}, <br /> [/tex]

where the angle between the vectors [tex]\bar{r}_a,\bar{r}_b[/tex] is given by the unitary [tex]U[/tex]. I'm, however, not sure if it is possible to solve the general problem using this approach.

/David
 
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Davids got the right idea. For any unitary matrix, [itex]U^{\dagger} = U^-1[/itex]. For any matrix A, [itex]Tr(A)= Tr(DAD^-1)[/itex].

If A - B is positive definite, then Tr(A - B) > 0 .

[tex]Tr(A - UBU^{\dagger}) = Tr(A - B) > 0[/tex].

Tr( A - B) > 0 is necessary, but it isn't sufficient. I'd start looking at how a unitary transform affects the eigenvalues of a a matrix.
 

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