Which universities have great teachers?

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The discussion revolves around identifying universities with strong Mathematics and Physics teaching, particularly from the perspective of an undergraduate student. Participants share their experiences and opinions on the qualities of good teachers, the impact of university size, and the importance of research opportunities.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that smaller universities tend to have better professors due to a greater focus on teaching rather than research.
  • One participant notes that all universities have a mix of good and bad professors, and the quality of teaching can vary widely even within the same institution.
  • Another participant emphasizes that teaching requires different skills, and a professor's effectiveness can depend on the context, such as whether they are teaching or managing administrative tasks.
  • A participant mentions that community colleges and inner city schools may have exceptional teachers, highlighting that strong student performance can sometimes mask poor teaching quality.
  • Some participants argue that the definition of a "good teacher" varies based on individual preferences for teaching style and interaction.
  • One participant points out that for students interested in research, attending a university with active research programs and accessible professors is crucial for their education and future opportunities.
  • Another participant shares experiences from prestigious institutions like Harvard and MIT, noting that while some professors may deliver inspiring lectures, the overall teaching quality can be inconsistent.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there is no definitive answer to which universities have the best teachers, as experiences vary widely. Multiple competing views remain regarding the impact of university size, teaching styles, and the qualities that define effective teaching.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the subjective nature of teaching effectiveness, the variability of experiences among students, and the dependence on individual learning preferences and academic goals.

Who May Find This Useful

Students considering undergraduate studies in Mathematics or Physics, educators interested in teaching quality, and individuals exploring the impact of university environments on learning experiences.

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Greetings,

I am the eleventh grade doing the IB program in Karachi, Pakistan. I was wondering which universities around the world have good Mathematics/Physics teachers. I am open to pretty much any country, although I am a Canadian Citizen. If anyone can tell me where I would get the best support and instruction to pursue my intellectual interests, I would be deeply grateful. (This is all for an undergraduate student)Thank You,

Daaniyaal
 
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All universities have some good and some bad professors, it's almost hit-or-miss.
I'm at a small Canadian university and can vouch for the size of my university greatly affecting teaching performance. I find that:

- My professors are much more approachable.
- There is a bigger emphasis (on the University's part) to demand excellence in teaching
- My professors all know my name and say hello when I meet them in the halls
- There are more opportunities for professor-student interaction
- It's easy to drop in and get help during (or not during) office hours

If I had to choose again, I would still prefer a smaller institution, it's personalized and I still get research opportunities/honors classes etc...
But again, it's the the university itself that will fully determine the quality of the teaching, it's the professors. All universities have at least one really bad professor (probably); similarly, all universities probably have one really good one (at least, and maybe except some online universities?).
 
I'd say in general a smaller university will most likely have better professors since they will be mostly teaching oriented rather than research. Like the previous poster said, at a smaller university the learning experience is a bit more personal. I know everyone in all my classes and the professors all know us. I'd say anything past weak generalizations will be just anecdotal. Every school has good and bad professors, not to mention one person's bad professor is another favorite.

So rather than look at specific professors (unless you intend to work under a particular one), I'd say look more at the opportunities a particular university might give such as research, job placement, etc.
 
Community colleges and inner city schools have the greatest teachers I've seen.

One strange thing is that universities with excellent students can get away with bad teachers. If you have excellent students, then a bad teacher won't do much damage, but if you have mediocre students, then you need some excellent teaching skills to be able to do something with them.

The other thing is that teaching itself requires different skills. I can think of one professor that happens to be a mediocre lecturer, but if you put him behind the scenes in a large lecture class, he is an administrative genius, and if you put him on a curriculum committee, he is stunningly amazing at fighting bureaucratic battles so that other teachers can do their jobs.

Also teaching can sometimes be a team effort. The mediocre lecturer/stunning bureaucrat once team taught a class with someone with the exact opposite skills amazing lecturer/most disorganized person you've ever met, and the sum was greater than the parts.
 
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It depends on what qualities makes a good teacher for you. At Harvard when I was an undergrad there, the teachers were mostly very hand off, no interaction at all with students, and no bending over backwards to dumb the material down. But they gave the best prepared and most exhilarating lectures I have ever heard. They were inspiring and authoritative.

Does that sound like a good teacher to you? Or do you want someone who stops if he sees you are puzzled and goes back and repeats the same stuff over again for you?

Do you want to be accommodated for your limitations, or challenged to surpass them?
 
There's an incredibly crucial question to ask yourself too - what are your intellectual interests? If you're planning on going into a research-oriented field and/or you are interested in academia, you're going to want to go to a school with a lot of quality research. If you'll want to do research as an undergraduate, going to a school where your professors will be doing research and will be open to undergraduates working with them will really help out your education (not to mention give you a lot on your resume for grad school or jobs).
 
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But they gave the best prepared and most exhilarating lectures I have ever heard. They were inspiring and authoritative.

At MIT, the quality of the lecturers were uneven with some teachers giving some of the best lectures I've ever heard, and the occasional one was so awful that there was a rumor that the professor was intentionally sabotaging their own lectures so that they didn't have to teach again. The quality of lectures at MIT is average. But that's not the reason to go there.

All of the professors were first class researchers and you learned a ton of stuff working in undergraduate research. Also, the students were very sharp so that most of the things you learn, you end up learning from each other.

Does that sound like a good teacher to you? Or do you want someone who stops if he sees you are puzzled and goes back and repeats the same stuff over again for you?

Or some that just throws you in the water, while standing next to you with a life preserver, watching you trying to figure out how to swim.

Do you want to be accommodated for your limitations, or challenged to surpass them?

Or surpass the professor. One part of the MIT philosophy is that if the teacher teaches the student everything that the teacher knows, then the teacher has failed. The purpose of the institute is to set things up so that the student goes above and beyond what the teacher has taught.

Part of the reason the educational system at MIT works the way that it did there is that if the professor drops you into the water, you may figure out something that they didn't think of.
 

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