Whit.a.6.1 Show that the plane H defined by:

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical representation of a plane \( H \) defined by a linear combination of vectors. Participants are examining the equivalence of two representations of the plane and questioning the relevance of a reduced row echelon form (rref) notation in this context.

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  • One participant presents the definition of the plane \( H \) using scalar multiplication and vector addition, suggesting it is equivalent to a specific vector form.
  • Another participant questions the clarity of the original post, asking what specific question is being addressed regarding the plane or its properties.
  • Concerns are raised about the use of the rref notation, with one participant stating that it does not apply to the plane as it is not a matrix.
  • There is a mention of a previous example that supposedly illustrates the equivalence, though details are not provided.

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Participants express differing views on the clarity of the original question and the relevance of the rref notation. No consensus is reached regarding the intent of the initial post or the correctness of the claims made.

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There is ambiguity regarding the definitions and assumptions related to the representations of the plane and the application of rref notation. The discussion does not resolve these issues.

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$\tiny{whit.a.6.1}$

Show that the plane H defined by:

$H=\left\{
\alpha_1\left[
\begin{array}{rrr}1\\1\\1\end{array} \right]
+\alpha_2\left[\begin{array}{rrr}1\\-1\\0\end{array} \right]
\textit{ Such that } \alpha_1,\ \alpha_1\in\mathbb{R}\right\}
=\begin{bmatrix}a_1+a_2\\ a_1+a_2\\ a_1\end{bmatrix}$
$\text{rref}(H)=\left[ \begin{array}{cc|c} 1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 & 0 \\0 & 0 & 0 \end{array} \right]$
ok I don't know what this answers
 
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What question are you trying to answer?

The fact that
$H=\left\{
\alpha_1\left[
\begin{array}{rrr}1\\1\\1\end{array} \right]
+\alpha_2\left[\begin{array}{rrr}1\\-1\\0\end{array} \right]
\textit{ Such that } \alpha_1,\ \alpha_1\in\mathbb{R}\right\}$
IS the same as
$\begin{bmatrix}a_1+a_2\\ a_1+a_2\\ a_1\end{bmatrix}$
should be obvious from the definitions of "scalar multiplication" and "addition of vectors".

Or are you trying to say that something is true about that plane? If so, what?

($\left[ \begin{array}{cc|c} 1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 & 0 \\0 & 0 & 0 \end{array} \right]$ doesn't appear to have anything to do with this problem and "$\text{rref}(H)$" doesn't make sense because "H" is plane, not a matrix.)
 
It's odd that Karush "liked" my response but did not answer the questions I asked.
 
Country Boy said:
What question are you trying to answer?

The fact that
$H=\left\{
\alpha_1\left[
\begin{array}{rrr}1\\1\\1\end{array} \right]
+\alpha_2\left[\begin{array}{rrr}1\\-1\\0\end{array} \right]
\textit{ Such that } \alpha_1,\ \alpha_1\in\mathbb{R}\right\}$
IS the same as
$\begin{bmatrix}a_1+a_2\\ a_1+a_2\\ a_1\end{bmatrix}$
should be obvious from the definitions of "scalar multiplication" and "addition of vectors".

Or are you trying to say that something is true about that plane? If so, what?

($\left[ \begin{array}{cc|c} 1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 & 0 \\0 & 0 & 0 \end{array} \right]$ doesn't appear to have anything to do with this problem and "$\text{rref}(H)$" doesn't make sense because "H" is plane, not a matrix.)
that was shown in an example
 

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