Who Deserves the Political Guru Award for Peace?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of a "faux guru award" for individuals in the political forum, specifically focusing on who might be considered the most formidable in terms of logical argumentation and factual knowledge. Participants explore the implications of such an award and the criteria for deserving it, including the distinction between being intimidating in debate versus offering constructive solutions for peace.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question who should receive the faux guru award, expressing curiosity about the existence of a particularly knowledgeable individual in the forum.
  • One participant, jimmysnyder, is mentioned as a potential candidate for being knowledgeable, but there is a concern about the implications of being perceived as someone to avoid in debate.
  • Another participant expresses a desire to soften their approach in discussions, indicating that they often feel outmatched by facts and logic.
  • There is a distinction made between using facts and logic in a constructive manner versus "schooling" others, with a participant retracting their vote for the award based on this clarification.
  • One participant argues that the Nobel Prize should focus on individuals with the best solutions for peace rather than those who are simply intimidating in debate.
  • Participants reflect on the history of the Nobel Peace Prize, questioning the last instances where it was awarded for actual peace and discussing notable recipients from the past.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the criteria for the faux guru award and the nature of debate in the forum. There is no consensus on who should receive the award or what the award should represent, indicating ongoing disagreement.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference historical Nobel Peace Prize winners, suggesting a focus on individual contributions to peace rather than political debate prowess. The discussion includes reflections on the nature of argumentation and reputational concerns within the forum.

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Who should get the faux guru award for the political forum? Who is the one person that you do NOT want to tangle with because you will end up getting schooled in the end with facts and logical argument?
 
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gravenewworld said:
Who should get the faux guru award for the political forum? Who is the one person that you do NOT want to tangle with because you will end up getting schooled in the end with facts and logical argument?
We have someone like that here? :confused:
 
Evo said:
We have someone like that here? :confused:
jimmysnyder
 
I'm sorry I come off that way. I will try to soften up in the future. Anyway, I get schooled with the facts and with logic pretty often too. When it happens, I disengage.
 
jimmysnyder said:
I'm sorry I come off that way. I will try to soften up in the future. Anyway, I get schooled with the facts and with logic pretty often too. When it happens, I disengage.
Jimmy, my comment was a commendation. Actually, it probably doesn't look to good. I didn't mean to infer that one schools others in use of facts and logic.

I was thinking more in the frame of using/applying facts and logic (which is the proper means of disputation), rather than schooling opponents in fact and logic.

disputation -
1 : the action of disputing : verbal controversy <continuous disputation between them> <ideological disputations>
2 : an academic exercise in oral defense of a thesis by formal logic

I would be pleased to retract my vote.
 
It's no biggie, but I don't want the reputation of being "the one person that you do NOT want to tangle with" for any reason. Probably I could do more at my end to alleviate this problem.
 
The Nobel Prize is for peace, not for politics. The award should not be "who you don't want to argue with because you're scared of arguing them" but "who has the best solutions and recommendations given a particular issue".
 
Can anyone remember the last Nobel prize given for actual peace?
 
2005?

EDIT: I don't know if you're just selectively trying to "remember" controversial Nobel Peace Prizes, though I don't blame you because those the only ones that make it to the media headlines.
 
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mgb_phys said:
Can anyone remember the last Nobel prize given for actual peace?

Back to '78 Sadat/Begin before getting some real peace prizes.
'76 Williams/Corrigan - N. Ireland
'64 M. L. King
'53 Marshall

Couple of the groups are worthy but I favor individuals.
 

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