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The discussion revolves around the pathways to obtaining a PhD in physics, particularly the implications of pursuing a degree in mathematics instead of physics at the undergraduate level. Participants explore the time efficiency of different educational trajectories and the motivations behind pursuing advanced degrees in physics.

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  • Some participants note that many well-regarded physicists have achieved significant recognition without a formal undergraduate degree in physics.
  • There is a question about whether it is easier to obtain a PhD in physics without an undergraduate degree in the same field, with some arguing that students from other majors often need additional time to catch up on foundational physics courses.
  • One participant expresses concern about using exceptional cases of Nobel Prize winners as a benchmark for personal academic paths, suggesting that most individuals may not have the same opportunities or talents.
  • Another participant questions the goal of pursuing a PhD, asking whether it is to become a competent physicist or merely to attain the title of "Dr.".
  • One contributor shares their personal timeline and aspirations, indicating a desire to complete their education efficiently and avoid being significantly older upon graduation.
  • There is a suggestion that a PhD should focus on original research rather than merely accumulating qualifications through coursework.

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Participants express differing views on the value and efficiency of pursuing a PhD in physics without an undergraduate degree in the field. There is no consensus on whether this path is advantageous or detrimental, and motivations for pursuing a PhD vary among participants.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the potential challenges of transitioning from a mathematics background to a physics graduate program, including the need for additional coursework. The discussion reflects varying assumptions about the importance of age and timing in academic and career trajectories.

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Many well regarded physicist, who have wone nobel prizes or discovered many theories, never got their BS/SB/or Bsc in physics.

Is it any easier to get a phd in physics without getting a undergraduate physics degree? (time wise)

Math degree (2 years) Masters (1 to 2 years) phd (3+ years)
Physics (3 or 4 years) and so on

is graduating 2 years earlier in math but still getting a phd in physics better, worse or it doesn't matter?

thoughts?
 
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matthieulabelle said:
Many well regarded physicist, who have wone nobel prizes or discovered many theories, never got their BS/SB/or Bsc in physics.

Here's something that you may seriously want to consider: Do not take the attitude "Well, if that Nobel Prize winner can do it, why can't I?"

The overwhelming majority of us do not have the exceptional talent of these people, and we certainly cannot wait and depend on the luck/opportunities that they had. So using them as if it is the norm will be a terrible mistake!

Is it any easier to get a phd in physics without getting a undergraduate physics degree? (time wise)

That doesn't make much sense, does it? I mean, if it is easier (timewise or not) to get a Ph.D in physics without first getting an undergraduate degree in physics, then why even bother having a physics undergraduate degree in the first place? Students from other majors who are accepted into a physics graduate program usually have to spend a year or two catching up on undergraduate physics courses just to get them up to speed to be able to pass the qualifier. I do not call this an "easier" path.

Math degree (2 years) Masters (1 to 2 years) phd (3+ years)
Physics (3 or 4 years) and so on

is graduating 2 years earlier in math but still getting a phd in physics better, worse or it doesn't matter?

thoughts?

I'm clueless on what you're asking here.

I wrote a while back on a simple "first-order" test for anyone from a different background wanting to do graduate work in physics in the US. You may want to read it.

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=64966

Zz.
 
What is your goal?

Is it being a good physicist, or is it having Dr. before your name?
 
By no means am i looking for the Dr. title. My goal is to eventually work for the government.

What i have been told recently by many alumni from UofT and other top Canadian and American schools is that age plays a role in top competitive jobs.

I'm not the smartest guy, by a long shot, but i will be 20 by the time i enter university, i don't want to spend unnessacery time at school.

What i would like to achieve is a Bs in physics and or math, Ms then phd.

What i don't want is to be 35 receiving my phd.
 
matthieulabelle said:
I'm not the smartest guy, by a long shot, but i will be 20 by the time i enter university, i don't want to spend unnessacery time at school.
From these two statements, I don't think a PhD is suited for you.

However, as it seems you haven't started uni yet, you may find that you get on really well with a subject and want to take it further.

A PhD should be about original research, not about taking more classes and getting a higher qualification. (In fact, as a side, I hate to see taught courses given as part of a PhD.)
 

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