Studying Physics Courses at 50 years old

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility and implications of studying physics at an older age, specifically at 50 years old, with aspirations of achieving a PhD and potentially making significant contributions to the field. Participants explore various aspects of aging, the pursuit of knowledge, and the motivations behind seeking prestigious awards like the Nobel Prize.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the age at which the brain remains capable of studying complex subjects like physics, citing examples of older physicists such as Steven Weinberg.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the pursuit of a Nobel Prize, suggesting that the primary motivation for studying physics should be the desire to learn and contribute to the field rather than seeking accolades.
  • There is a repeated inquiry about whether any Nobel Prize winners have achieved the award without a PhD, with suggestions to research past laureates.
  • Concerns are raised about the challenges of gaining recognition in the field without formal credentials, emphasizing the importance of established connections and the role of mathematics in validating ideas.
  • A participant reflects on their personal journey and motivations for studying physics, expressing a desire to contribute to breakthroughs and share knowledge, while acknowledging the potential for their ideas to be overlooked without proper backing.
  • Another participant mentions the reality of aging and learning, suggesting that starting to study physics later in life may require a realistic approach and a focus on enjoyment rather than solely on achievements.
  • One participant shares their experience with an elderly family member, questioning cognitive decline with age and the implications for studying physics at an advanced age.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express a mix of skepticism and encouragement regarding the pursuit of physics at an older age. There is no consensus on the feasibility of achieving a PhD or winning a Nobel Prize, with various viewpoints on motivations and the importance of formal education.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the challenges of starting from scratch in mathematics and physics, the potential for cognitive decline with age, and the necessity of established credentials for gaining recognition in the field. The discussion reflects a range of personal experiences and aspirations, with no definitive conclusions drawn.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to older individuals considering a return to academic study in physics, educators exploring the motivations of adult learners, and those curious about the relationship between age, learning, and achievement in scientific fields.

  • #31
jlcd said:
Meantime i want to join the teasure hunt

You're the first 50-year old I have ever seen use the non-word "wanna".
 
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  • #32
jlcd said:
I wish I were delusional.

Well, I had been thinking how to reply it so I'd not get warning by the mods. I think the following is the best I can come up.

What do you think of Sabine Hossenfelder?

She made me realize now is the best time to be a physicist. Lack of any new experimental data has reset and level the playing fields. So all are back to square one. And if one studies enough. One can become equal to the legendary Hossenfelder. Remember she wrote:

http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2016/08/the-lhc-nightmare-scenario-has-come-true.html
The LHC "Nightmare Scenerio" has Come True
"...we’ve entered what has become known as the “nightmare scenario” for the LHC: The Higgs and nothing else. Many particle physicists thought of this as the worst possible outcome. It has left them without guidance, lost in a thicket of rapidly multiplying models. Without some new physics, they have nothing to work with that they haven’t already had for 50 years, no new input that can tell them in which direction to look for the ultimate goal of unification and/or quantum gravity.

That the LHC hasn’t seen evidence for new physics is to me a clear signal that we’ve been doing something wrong, that our experience from constructing the standard model is no longer a promising direction to continue. We’ve maneuvered ourselves into a dead end by relying on aesthetic guidance to decide which experiments are the most promising. I hope that this latest null result will send a clear message that you can’t trust the judgement of scientists whose future funding depends on their continued optimism."

Now can someone give me the links to the best online courses.. at least to study some math for start and basic physics degree. Then would look for a physical school for my doctorate.

You are not only delusional, but you also have a very short memory on the history of physics.

It was only a few years ago that people were questioning if our elementary particle physics was right when the Tevatron struggled to find the Higgs. There were already theorists coming up with alternative scenario of our universe without the Higgs, and how the Standard Model had to be reformulated, etc... A whole bunch of people were running around as if the sky is falling down.

And now, with the LHC not finding anything beyond the SM, we are seeing the SAME thing. I can dial back several decades before 1985, when the world thought that there was nothing more to be discovered on superconductivity, that it was a matured field and has reached a dead end. Again, it took only 2 years for the entire idea to turn upside down.

It seems that people like you never learned, and that is ironic considering that you are wishing to learn physics, but failed to learned about the history of physics. You are forgetting that in the scale of time, the discovery of the Higgs has been only VERY recent, and that things are getting to be more and more difficult to discover and to single out. But somehow, just like in 1985, and just like right before the LHC when into full operations, the vultures seems to already be flying around impatiently proclaiming that something is either dead, or going nowhere.

And this is based on what? On one pop science book that you have been obsessing over?

Well, I too can make a prediction. I predict that you will NOT be going into physics, and even if you try, you will fail to make it through. I base this on years of observations of students that went into this field, and all the years of interactions with people in this forum. You have no clue on what is involved and how much work is required. Your fallacy of thinking that you can simply dial up a discovery is pure delusion.

Nothing here has changed my opinion that this is all science fantasy.

Zz.
 
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  • #33
jlcd said:
Now can someone give me the links to the best online courses.. at least to study some math for start and basic physics degree. Then would look for a physical school for my doctorate.

And oh, since you are so keen in following the footsteps of some of the giants in physics, why don't you follow what they also did? How many of them, do you think, got their physics degrees from ".. online courses..."? Do you think Sabine Hossenfelder got hers that way?

Zz.
 
  • #34
I think we may assume that the question has been discussed in all details. I doesn't make sense to repeat in variations what already has been said.

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  • #35
I have temporarily unlocked the thread just to mention how you could do what the OP wants. Check out:
http://www.open.ac.uk/choose/openplus/
Some of the schools you transfer to are good - one being named UK university of the year. You get a Masters then a Phd.

This is just information for those interested in actually studying physics now they are retired or finacially independent. You do not do it because you want a Nobel - you do it for the reasons Feynman famously said. Physics is not important - love is. He simply loved physics. So if you are finding you love physics and are older then do not let age stop you from getting a PhD and doing research work - it can be done. But do it for the right reason - Feynman's reason. And if you love physics words of discouragement will not change that love - you will be compelled by something deep inside to do it.

Thanks
Bill
 
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