Who Should the Democrats choose in '08?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Democratic Party's potential candidates for the 2008 presidential election. Participants explore various strategies for candidate selection, including the appeal of liberal versus moderate candidates, and the importance of personality in attracting voters. The conversation touches on past candidates and their performances, as well as the current political landscape.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest the Democrats should choose a solid liberal candidate to regain the support of disillusioned voters from the previous election.
  • Others propose that a moderate candidate might be necessary to attract voters who previously supported Bush.
  • There is a viewpoint that personality and public appeal may outweigh policy positions in candidate selection.
  • One participant expresses a desire for the Democrats to forfeit the election until a more compelling candidate emerges, while still indicating support for Hillary Clinton if she runs.
  • Concerns are raised about the qualifications and appeal of candidates like Bill Richardson, with mixed opinions on his effectiveness as a governor and his ethnic identity.
  • Some participants express a preference for voting for minority or female candidates, while others challenge the implications of such preferences.
  • Discussions about the past election highlight the perceived failures of candidates like John Kerry and the impact of their campaigns on current candidate selection.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best candidate or strategy for the Democrats in 2008. Multiple competing views remain regarding the qualities that a candidate should possess and the effectiveness of past candidates.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the effectiveness of various candidates and their past performances, as well as the implications of identity politics in candidate selection. There are references to the political climate and voter sentiments that may influence the upcoming election.

Who should the Democrats choose in '08


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  • #31
Locrian said:
You say they're changing. That's nice, but I'm not convinced, and I see no reason why anyone else should be.
You're right, maybe my rosy predictions of competent Politicians who change when they fail is too optimistic, and maybe my faith in the Democratic Party is misplaced. We'll see whether or not they've really learned anything in the next cycle of elections.
 
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  • #32
If Obama ran I would vote for him in a heartbeat (though I doubt he will in 08 because he won't have finished one term yet). I don't think I'll ever forget watching him speak during the DNC last summer when all of a sudden it struck me that this man is going to run for president someday and, all things being equal, should win. I still stand by that statement wholeheartedly.
 
  • #33
Andromeda321 said:
If Obama ran I would vote for him in a heartbeat (though I doubt he will in 08 because he won't have finished one term yet). I don't think I'll ever forget watching him speak during the DNC last summer when all of a sudden it struck me that this man is going to run for president someday and, all things being equal, should win. I still stand by that statement wholeheartedly.

Interesting how the First Lady is an important factor to Americans. Theresa was a liability for Kerry, while Laura has been a tremendous help to Bush. I've only seen a little of Obama's wife (sorry I don't know her name), but it struck me that she is a strong, independent woman the way Hillary was, and traditional Americans don't like that. I can guess traditional white males in the South won't like anything about it--sad but true. Let's just hope our country can progress in the years to come, and not keep slipping backward.

As for recovery of the Democrats, I feel they have already shown improvement. With regard to Social Security, they have been pretty united and have not only created healthy debate, but have taken initiative with the calculator, etc. If they can keep taking initiative (presenting their own plans, etc.) and not just being reactionary, especially in reference to matters that Bush has ignored (economy, environment/global warming, etc.), they can recover. They do need to get their base together via better grass-roots methods--you know, those people who forgot to vote because they were hiking, enjoying the arts, counting whales, etc.--goofy liberals.

So did we settle on Biden then? :smile:
 
  • #34
Just saw this:

The Hearst Newspapers / Siena College National Poll: Do You Think the United States is Ready for a Woman President in 2008? - 62% say 'Yes" - Released 2/22/205
 
  • #35
A closer look at the Hearst Newspaper/Siena College Poll shows 81% would vote for a woman for president, but:
53% say Hillary Clinton should run
42% say Condi Rice should run

The poll also included Barbara Boxer and Elizabeth Dole in the survey. However, of those who feel a woman should run, only 18% expect a woman to be on the Republican ticket for president, while 60% expect a woman to be on the Democratic ticket.

I voted for Evan Bayh - By far he has the best chance of beating Hillary. And he is everything Hillary is not: highly elect-able.
 
  • #36
I like Bayh (sounds good, doesn't it?) for two reasons. One, he was a successful Governer of a state with both farms and heavy industry, something no other recent dem candidate can match, and two, because my late wife baby sat him when she was in college.
 
  • #37
woah, can i have your signature if he becomes the president? a humble request..
 
  • #38
selfAdjoint said:
I like Bayh (sounds good, doesn't it?) for two reasons. One, he was a successful Governer of a state with both farms and heavy industry, something no other recent dem candidate can match, and two, because my late wife baby sat him when she was in college.
Can any CANDIDATE in general even be said to have been a successful governor? Clinton and Bush were both pretty big failures as far as governorship goes (we went from 49th to 48th, hurray!).
 
  • #39
The games are on! In a recent address to a Japanese audience, Bill Clinton endorsed Hillary (imagine that). And though I do not watch FOX News, I saw this on a pro-Bush site:

Friday, March 4, 2005 8:55 a.m. EST
McCain: Hillary Won't Be President
Prospective 2008 presidential candidate Sen. John McCain said Tuesday that he doubts Hillary Clinton can win enough votes nationwide to reclaim the White House in the next presidential race.

"I don't believe that Senator Clinton will be president of the United States," McCain told the Fox News Channel's "Hannity & Colmes."
 

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