News Who will the Republicans choose in '08?

[SOS2008]

No one is pro-war. God you people and your catch phrases. Its like calling anti-abortion people pro-life as if poepl in favor of abortion are pro-death. Its sheer stupidity.

He was in favor of going into iraq, yes, but no one in their right mind is "pro-war". Certainly pro-"kicking the **** out of genocidal arseholes", but not "pro-war"

Yes, it's sheer stupidity, like "If you don't support Bush, you are unpatriotic" or "If you don't support the war, you don't support the troops" etc.? Okay, Guliani is in favor of invading Iraq, but not going to war. The bigger concern to me is the use of "rally around the flag" emotions in relation to 9-11 and/or "wedge" religious issues again to distract from real political issues to become elected.

UNfortunately, the one person i would love to see nominated most won't be (our esteemed governator).

So far so good...time will tell...if he is as he seems, I must say he has appeal (kinda poetic, eh?). He has more Reagan-like traits than Bush fantasizes about, and is more moderate as far as Democrats are concerned. If he proves himself and gains enough popularity, who knows what may happen by 2012?

 

[SOS2008]

But he did many of the same things bush has done.

Bush's conservative, authoritarian style, with public appearances in military uniform (which no previous American president has ever done while in office). Government by secrecy, propaganda and deception. Open assaults on labor unions and workers' rights. Preemptive war and militant nationalism. Contempt for international law and treaties. Suspiciously convenient "terrorist" attacks, to justify a police state and the suspension of liberties. A carefully manufactured image of "The Leader," who's still just a "regular guy" and a "moderate." "Freedom" as the rationale for every action. Fantasy economic growth, based on unprecedented budget deficits and massive military spending. And a cold, pragmatic ideology of fascism—including the violent suppression of dissent and other human rights; the use of torture, assassination and concentration camps; and most important, Benito Mussolini's preferred definition of "fascism" as "corporatism, because it binds together the interests of corporations and the state." -- this is what I was referring to...

 

[BobG]

Latest poll of the Conservative Political Action Conference:

1. Rudy Giuliani
2. Condi Rice
3. Bill Frist, George Allen, and John McCain

Considering this is one of the more conservative groups within the Republican Party, Giuliani might be a more realistic choice than I would have expected.

Of course, John McCain ranked a little higher than I would have expected, as well - biting his tongue over the course of the 2004 campaign may have served him well (the general impression is that he's despised Bush ever since the 2000 South Carolina primary).

I would have expected Frist to be high on this list.

Rice is too close to the current administration and low enough to take the heat for the things the conservative faithful won't blame Bush for, no matter how his next 4 years go. I would give her about as much chance as Rumsfield of winning the Republican nomination - unless, of course, Iraq progresses much smoother and quicker than expected. It would be just like them to counter a Hillary nomination with a Condi nomination (hey, nominating a respected Republican's idiot son worked to counter the respected Democrat's idiot son in 2000, didn't it?)

 

[wasteofo2]

Latest poll of the Conservative Political Action Conference:

1. Rudy Giuliani
2. Condi Rice
3. Bill Frist, George Allen, and John McCain

Considering this is one of the more conservative groups within the Republican Party, Giuliani might be a more realistic choice than I would have expected.

Of course, John McCain ranked a little higher than I would have expected, as well - biting his tongue over the course of the 2004 campaign may have served him well (the general impression is that he's despised Bush ever since the 2000 South Carolina primary).

I would have expected Frist to be high on this list.

Rice is too close to the current administration and low enough to take the heat for the things the conservative faithful won't blame Bush for, no matter how his next 4 years go. I would give her about as much chance as Rumsfield of winning the Republican nomination - unless, of course, Iraq progresses much smoother and quicker than expected. It would be just like them to counter a Hillary nomination with a Condi nomination (hey, nominating a respected Republican's idiot son worked to counter the respected Democrat's idiot son in 2000, didn't it?)

I'd be willing to bet that if Bill Frist actually gets nominated, he'll lose definitively by driving away moderate voters who were drawn to the GOP this time around. And if Condoleezza Rice is the nominee, hell, you'll see the biggest Democratic victory in the south since Jimmy Carter got elected. Could you imagine something like Rice vs. Evan Bayh or Mark Warner?

But Guliani's a totally different story. Does anyone think it's possible for Guliani to lose? If the Democrats were to choose a moderate like Evan Bayh of Mark Warner, does anyone think there's enough anti-Catholic or anti-Italian sentiment to drive away a good deal of the Republican base? He is pretty liberal on many issues afterall, but that might just draw in Democrats to replace the racist Republicans who were scared off by his ethnicity...

It'll be fun regardless, 2 genuine primaries to watch, just got to wait about 3 years...

 

[SOS2008]

Of course, John McCain ranked a little higher than I would have expected, as well - biting his tongue over the course of the 2004 campaign may have served him well (the general impression is that he's despised Bush ever since the 2000 South Carolina primary).

After hearing what Bush had to say about McCain on the recent "tapes" I now admire McCain for pulling the R-line the way he has for Bush.