Who was Nicola Tesla and Why is He a Forgotten Genius?

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Nikola Tesla is recognized as one of the greatest geniuses of the 20th century, particularly for his contributions to electrical engineering, yet many believe he remains relatively unknown compared to contemporaries like Thomas Edison. The discussion highlights that while Tesla's innovations, particularly in alternating current (AC) systems, are foundational to modern electricity, his lack of business acumen and trust in others led to his overshadowing by Edison, who was more adept at marketing and commercial success. Tesla's experimental methods and theoretical approaches are contrasted with Edison's trial-and-error style, with many participants expressing admiration for Tesla's genius despite his struggles for recognition. The conversation also touches on Tesla's Serbian heritage and the impact of historical narratives on his legacy, noting that while he may not be widely known among the general public, he is celebrated within engineering and scientific communities. The debate reflects broader themes of how historical figures are remembered and the influence of commercial success on public perception.
  • #51
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=tesla+cult
There are Tesla Cults.
There are even claims that a particular cult used his work to create flying saucers and flew to Venus in them lol.
Nikola Tesla is like an underground conspiracy messiah.
 
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  • #52
TheStatutoryApe said:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=tesla+cult
There are Tesla Cults.
There are even claims that a particular cult used his work to create flying saucers and flew to Venus in them lol.
I read somewhere that Tesla is still alive in a secret compound in South America which is also his Flying Saucer base. After he perfected the Flying Saucer he went and picked Marconi up and talked him into joining his private gang of super-engineers.
 
  • #53
Pravoslavan said:
That bulb would be almost useless without AC current.

Gosh I guess that's why we have ALTERNATORS on our cars and trucks so all the lights aren't useless. :smile:

Seriously though, you can't expect people to take anything you say seriously when you come with stuff like that. I think it would be more accurate to say that our power distribution system would be useless without AC.

Back when electricity first became practical it was VERY common for people who did not have access to the utilities to have a small DC power plant and a set of batteries. It was a 32 volt system. Often several appliances, one being a washing machine, would share a single electric motor that was moved between them. It was also not uncommon to have wind driven generators. Google for "32 volt delco plant" and you will see what I mean.

The reason people don't know who Tesla is is because they simply haven't been told about him. There really aren't that many people alive today who were alive when Tesla was so that's what we have to rely on.

For the record Pravo, you would fit in well with a Tesla cult. And yes, they do exist.
 
  • #54
As is often the case, the enabling technology (AC power) is forgotton, and the invention we use every day (the light bulb) is remembered. That's life - anyone who isn't an engineer or physicist probably doesn't know the first thing about how electricity works, so there is no reason for them to know that Tesla is the reason for AC power. But they do know that they can't live without light bulbs.
 
  • #55
Pravoslavan said:
Canadians in Toronto do not know who made hydro plant on Niagara falls... THAT IS IGONORING of Tesla !
As Zz said, this is just ignorence, a symptom of a larger problem. There is no conspiracy against Tesla.
But everybody will say that Edison invented bulb and Graham Bell was Canadian who invented phone ... :)
People in US will say Graham Bell was the AMerican who invented the telephone. People in Scotland say he was the Scot who invented the telephone.

I`m not the one who have problem with it, I think that some people here have problem with understanding what is the purpose of forum...
Listen "post count zero,":wink: don't you be telling Zz he doesn't understand what this forum is about!
 
  • #56
russ_watters said:
That's life - anyone who isn't an engineer or physicist probably doesn't know the first thing about how electricity works, so there is no reason for them to know that Tesla is the reason for AC power.
Actually, Westinghouse is the reason for AC power. Tesla didn't invent or discover AC, it's the natural product of a dynamo unless you specifically configure it for DC. Everyone did that, because they had no idea how to use AC. Westinghouse found out that AC could be generated at very high voltages making long distance transmission viable, so he went hunting for any and all patents for AC operated devices. He talked to a few different inventors and decided he liked Tesla's AC stuff the best. The fact Tesla's patents had preceeded everyone elses was not a consideration for Westinghouse. He was doing business. He wanted to pull the rug out from beneath Edison and grab that market. Therefore he just went with the AC systems he felt were best.

The Electricity War was really Edison, the company, verses Westinghouse, the company, not Edison, the man, verses Tesla, the man.
 
  • #57
zoobyshoe said:
Actually, Westinghouse is the reason for AC power. Tesla didn't invent or discover AC, it's the natural product of a dynamo unless you specifically configure it for DC. Everyone did that, because they had no idea how to use AC. Westinghouse found out that AC could be generated at very high voltages making long distance transmission viable, so he went hunting for any and all patents for AC operated devices. He talked to a few different inventors and decided he liked Tesla's AC stuff the best. The fact Tesla's patents had preceeded everyone elses was not a consideration for Westinghouse. He was doing business. He wanted to pull the rug out from beneath Edison and grab that market. Therefore he just went with the AC systems he felt were best.
The Electricity War was really Edison, the company, verses Westinghouse, the company, not Edison, the man, verses Tesla, the man.
From what I had read AC was one of Tesla's first big discoveries. The biography I read also indicated, if I remember correctly, that the war was partially fueled by an Edison/Tesla feud and involved attacks directed at Tesla himself. Both Edison and Tesla were actively involved in the campaigning I believe.
 
  • #58
TheStatutoryApe said:
From what I had read AC was one of Tesla's first big discoveries.
I don't believe this is the case. I could be wrong but I think AC was always known about simply due to the fact it is what comes out if you rotate a magnet near a coil - north-south-north-south, and so on. If I recall correctly they had to spend some effort figuring out how to make a generator generate DC, which is a more complex set up. Tesla's polyphase motors and induction motors were remarkable in that it showed how AC could be of great practical use. If there aren't things down the line that can operate off the AC then long distance transmission of AC is encumbered by having to rectify it before use, which means more equipment and losses. His patents were exactly what Westinghouse needed to make his AC distribution system even more appealing.
The biography I read also indicated, if I remember correctly, that the war was partially fueled by an Edison/Tesla feud and involved attacks directed at Tesla himself. Both Edison and Tesla were actively involved in the campaigning I believe.
Edison and Tesla once had a brief argument about AC verses DC when Tesla worked for Edison. Tesla broached the subject and started telling Edison what could be accomplished with AC. Edison stopped him short and said something like "Here in America, Tesla, we use DC." That was pretty much it. Tesla didn't push it. What eventually made Tesla intensely ticked off at Edison was that Edison reneged on a huge bonus he'd promised if Tesla got all his dynamos in good working order. Tesla spent about a year on this, but when he went for his bonus Edison claimed he'd just been joking and Tesla should have realized it. Tesla quit on the spot and went to digging ditches for a living rather than work for Edison anymore. That was the root of the feud. Not AC vs DC.
I have a great, detailed book called The Electrical Manufacturers which is a history of the subject covering 1875 to 1900. It was really Edison against Westinghouse. Tesla participated, of course, but not as a major opponent to Edison, rather as a helper to Westinghouse. And on the Edison side, yes, Edison lead the campaign himself. He found himself a very unpleasant kind of henchman named Harold P. Brown, who was the one who started demonstrating how dangerous AC was by electrocuting dogs. Edison turned Westinghouse' name into a verb. To "westinghouse" an animal or person was to kill it by electrocution with AC. He referred to people executed in the electric chair as having been "westinghoused". He was really trying to poison people's minds against it.
 
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  • #59
I heard near the end of his life he started talking to pigeons, and castrated himself.

Is it true?
 
  • #60
Mk said:
I heard near the end of his life he started talking to pigeons, and castrated himself.
Is it true?
Pigeons yes. Self-castration I have never once ever heard such a thing about him.
 
  • #61
TheStatutoryApe said:
From what I had read AC was one of Tesla's first big discoveries. The biography I read also indicated, if I remember correctly, that the war was partially fueled by an Edison/Tesla feud and involved attacks directed at Tesla himself. Both Edison and Tesla were actively involved in the campaigning I believe.

When I was a kid, there were always these little quizzes asked of kids, focusing on major inventions and the responsible inventors. I thought nothing of it then, I thought the men (and rarely women) were being given due credit for brilliant work.

Now, I'm not sure at all of that. I've realized assigning honor to a single person for a discovery or invention is a far more nebulous exercise than most people realize, or care to admit. But it seems people need a popular icon of some sort; we're often more comfortable with giving the wrong person all the credit than admitting we don't know any better.

Did Tesla even invent AC ? I don't know - I've seen very compelling writeups that claim it was Charles Proteus Steinmetz all along. In fact, as Russ pointed out, the vociferous "cult of personality" crackpots surrounding Tesla actually detract from serious study about the assignation of credit for the inventions that may or may not have come from him.

Russ made another excellent point here :

Russ said:
As is often the case, the enabling technology (AC power) is forgotton, and the invention we use every day (the light bulb) is remembered. That's life - anyone who isn't an engineer or physicist probably doesn't know the first thing about how electricity works, so there is no reason for them to know that Tesla is the reason for AC power. But they do know that they can't live without light bulbs.

There's a kernel of profound truth in that observation. Take the car for instance. Get a random poll of people off the street and ask them who invented the car. Let's leave what I think will turn out to be the most common answer to later.

The "more knowledgeable" among those polled may answer "Karl Benz". Yet even this is forgetting Etienne Lenoir, the (supposed) inventor of the internal combustion engine, who essentially enabled all this. Pertaining to the car itself, Cugnot is most likely to be ignored, even though he came up with the steam propelled prototype (we think).

All of the above are answers that I would consider fairly reasonable. But I expect that the most common answer would turn out to be "Henry Ford", even though he had little to do with the invention of the basic concept, but a lot to do with making and marketing a commercially viable model.

So the paradigm holds : Enablers are hardly known, inventors are occasionally known and oft forgotten, marketers are enshrined in popular culture.

But does it really matter anyway ? Society moves on through these inventions - and don't we all "stand on the shoulders of giants" ? Zoobyshoe also made a great point in this respect.

I know that last aphorism was said by someone great, but I couldn't initially remember who it was (I had to google). But in the spirit of non-attribution which I'm beginning to favor over mis-attribution, I shall leave the quote unacknowledged. :biggrin:
 
  • #62
Tesla Steals Fame Of Forgotten French Genius

TheStatutoryApe said:
From what I had read AC was one of Tesla's first big discoveries.
In 1832, a generator built by a French mechanician produced alternating current for the first time in the history of electrical engineering.

http://www.scitech.mtesz.hu/51landmark/zipernov.htm

Oh, why does the average man at PF think Tesla invented AC when the true French genius' very name is ignored and forgotten?
 
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  • #63
zoobyshoe said:
http://www.scitech.mtesz.hu/51landmark/zipernov.htm

Oh, why does the average man at PF think Tesla invented AC when the true French genius' very name is ignored and forgotten?
Lol... Sorry:redface: It was just the book I read that made it seem that way.
 
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  • #64
TheStatutoryApe said:
Lol... Sorry:redface: It was just the book I read that made it seem that way.
I think most of the books on Tesla stack the weights such that everything leans toward the reader assuming he was the first to think up the concept, yes.

I'm rereading "The Electrical Manufacturers" a little bit on the subject of AC history, and it seems Westinghouse got the idea of a public utility based on it from an article he read about a demonstration of an AC system that was on display in London at an Exhibit of Inventions designed by two guys named Gaulard and Gibbs (whose ever heard of them?). The special point of interest was the inclusion of transformers to step the voltage down from transmission levels to user levels.

Westinghouse understood the signifigance instantly because he had worked out, and implemented, similar idea for lowering the line pressure of household gas delivery lines once it got to the house: he simply increased the diameter of the pipes where they lead from the main line into the home, which lowered the pressure. This London exhibit provided him with a way to do this with electricity. But it had to be AC, of course.

I was wrong before when I said he checked out a "few" inventors for AC motors. There were only two: Tesla and an Italian inventor. Originally he was just going to buy up all patents on AC motors, simply to exclude any rival company from access to the good ideas. Then he realized the Italian's patents weren't good enough to be worth buying, and the important one's were Tesla's: they covered every possible usable configuration as far as he could tell.
 
  • #65
What a legend, its a real shame that some of the conspiracies that surround him overshadow his acheivements. That death ray sounds soo cool though, i want one.
 
  • #66
Averagesupernova said:
For the record Pravo, you would fit in well with a Tesla cult. And yes, they do exist.


Go medicate yourself man, you have some sirious problems... i wish you all the best !
 
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