Whom do you think will win the X-Prize and why?

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The discussion revolves around predictions and opinions regarding which team might win the X-Prize, a competition aimed at advancing private spaceflight. Participants explore various teams, their designs, and the potential for success within the remaining timeframe of the competition.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express uncertainty about the progress of the teams and the likelihood of a winner emerging within the limited timeframe.
  • There are differing opinions on the originality and economic potential of various projects, such as the UK StarChaser and Mir Corp.'s project.
  • Several participants highlight Burt Rutan's SpaceShipOne as a leading contender, noting its recent test flights and innovative design.
  • One participant mentions the use of hydrogen peroxide as an oxidizer in several teams' designs, questioning its benefits and drawbacks.
  • Concerns are raised about the risks associated with launching within the remaining year, with some suggesting that the team with a launch this year might have an advantage.
  • There is discussion about the simplicity of some designs, like Pan Aero's, which could allow for rapid advancements compared to more complex systems.
  • Some participants argue that the prize should reward truly innovative launch systems rather than just efficient designs.
  • Links to articles and resources are shared to provide additional context and information about the competition and the teams involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions on which team might win, with no clear consensus on a single favorite. There are multiple competing views regarding the merits of different designs and the likelihood of success.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the limited time remaining in the competition and the various factors that could influence the outcomes, such as technological readiness and the originality of designs. Some discussions reference specific technical aspects of propulsion systems and launch strategies without resolving the complexities involved.

  • #31
cronxeh said:
If you want to launch stuff into space - the best way is to EM-accelerate them like a bullet, with a spin, and send off flying into outer space at a ZOOMing speed.
There's only one real problem with that idea - who's going to pay for it ? :wink:
 
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  • #32
it only requires electricity [very cheap] and if u want to include humans - some form of a liquid gel to keep em alive thru the 50-100+ Gs they'll pull off on take off

I haven't done any calculations with this thing (other than visualizing the whole process and result in my head)

but here are some additional snips that even a HS physics student can build, given the resources:

http://www.oz.net/~coilgun/theory/electroguns.htm


I mean really.. how hard can it be? :approve:
 
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  • #33
drag said:
There's only one real problem with that idea - who's going to pay for it ? :wink:
That's not a problem, that's a benefit. A rail-gun satellite launcher would be much cheaper than chemical rockets for launching satellites. But there are limitations such as payload size, durability, and orbital inclination.
 
  • #34
not to mention you won't be dumping any garbage into our oceans, or polluting the air.. the costs would be cut tenfold and time to takeoff and landing minimized to hours


Edit: got to love having ideas pop in hours after you post something.
Gravity as you all know is the weakest force, almost negligible

But really.. we have the technology to build super strong structures that would be light-weight and heat-resistant and whatnot.. why hasnt this been tried? The design was on the board in 40's all the way through 70's.
 
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  • #35
I don't care who wins as long as the final project is reasonable and innovative. The whole point was to get a cheap ride into space and if we take old plans that we knwo work just to win then there is no point.
 
  • #36
cronxeh said:
I think any design that uses a ROCKET to launch anything into space is essentially a highly inefficient, idiotic idea.

If you want to launch stuff into space - the best way is to EM-accelerate them like a bullet, with a spin, and send off flying into outer space at a ZOOMing speed.

Once in space, use booster rockets (some compressed gas - any gas will do) to maneuver around

I had a similar idea, but with an old-fashioned steam catapult like they use on aircraft carriers, only much bigger, of course. This would employed tried-and-true old technology, and would accelerate the vehicle slowly enough for passengers to survive. Just build the launch facility on the western slope of a tall mountain range (to shoot upward and to the east), as close to the Equator as possible, and near an existing power plant (for the steam). Requires no new technology at all.

Rutan has announced his first launchdate as Sept. 29th.
 
  • #37
WE HAVE A WINNER !

Watched the first flight live! Just saw the video of flight #2, now I'm saving up to buy my ticket! :wink:

See you guys up there.
 
  • #38
I was there to watch the last launch leading to the win. Hell I only live two hours from there so how could I NOT go? Man was it a great time!
 
  • #39
Creative research is having confidence in nonsense
- Burt Rutan;
From the documentary about his efforts:
Black Sky
The Race for Space.
Science Channel. 10/12/04

[its on right now if you're reading this in time]
 
  • #40
This is great! Make sure that you watch this.

Black Sky: The Race for Space

What does it take to build a space ship? Go behind-the-scenes as Burt Rutan designs and builds SpaceShipOne for entry in the X Prize competition. The competition was created to inspire the race for space tourism.
tv :: g
cc :: unavailable

On Air (ET):

Oct 13 2004
@ 07:00 AM

Oct 13 2004
@ 12:00 PM

Oct 13 2004
@ 03:00 PM

http://science.discovery.com/schedule/episode.jsp?episode=0&cpi=24963&gid=0&channel=SCI
 
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  • #41
My opinion is completely changed.

Burt Rutan is my new hero! He is truly inspirational. He is the man.
 
  • #42
cronxeh said:
it only requires electricity [very cheap] and if u want to include humans - some form of a liquid gel to keep em alive thru the 50-100+ Gs they'll pull off on take off

I haven't done any calculations with this thing (other than visualizing the whole process and result in my head)

but here are some additional snips that even a HS physics student can build, given the resources:

http://www.oz.net/~coilgun/theory/electroguns.htm


I mean really.. how hard can it be? :approve:


Ohh boy is this old or what? I bet in a year nothing changed - we still rely on chemical propulsion and waste money and environment :eek:
 
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  • #43
Just say no to E M Mass driver.

cronxeh said:
Ohh boy is this old or what? I bet in a year nothing changed - we still rely on chemical propulsion and waste money and environment :eek:
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Why some 50-100 G gelpacks needed electromagnetic mass driver system? Let's concentrate on carbon nanofiber research, and go for a Earth to GEO tether space elevator :!) system, from what I've seen it holds out the greatest promise for a mass space transportation system.
 

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