Who's better at playing poker on average?

[ka0z]

An issue that was commented on and corrected on the first page. Have I made similar comments since? No. Do you disagree with my other posts? If so, why not post regarding the issue you have and explain why I am incorrect.

Probability debate aside, I have made one mistake. I accepted it and dealt with it. Does that have any effect on my other posts here? If you think so and have an issue just ignore me or as above, tell me why I'm wrong. But don't come here and imply I'm wrong because of that one issue.

So far, I've only seen two people in this thread I'd consider to have a sound knowledge of the game.

It does affect the credibility of your knowledge for the game. If poker doesn't translate to Hold'em to you, then you're clearly out of touch with the current state of the game played.

And on the subject on sunglasses, Just take a look at most players on High Stake Poker, Poker After Dark, ie Phil Ivey, Tom Dwann, Daniel Negreanu, Peter Eastgate etcetc. If sunglasses were to give you a huge edge, then you would expect everyone to wear them, but they don't. It's just a matter of preference and habit to wear what they're comfortable with.

 

[JaredJames]

It does affect the credibility of your knowledge for the game. If poker doesn't translate to Hold'em to you, then you're clearly out of touch with the current state of the game played.

Where did I say Hold'em isn't poker or the like?

So would I be right in assuming you disagree with every other post I've made? If that's the case, perhaps you could point out exactly where I'm wrong and help me learn.

And on the subject on sunglasses, Just take a look at most players on High Stake Poker, Poker After Dark, ie Phil Ivey, Tom Dwann, Daniel Negreanu, Peter Eastgate etcetc. If sunglasses were to give you a huge edge, then you would expect everyone to wear them, but they don't. It's just a matter of preference and habit to wear what they're comfortable with.

I never said they gave you a "huge edge", just that eyes can be a big giveaway and people wear them to prevent this. Don't know where you're getting me claiming they give everyone a huge edge?

 

[Anonymous217]

Some people just wear sunglasses as a bit of insurance. That is, why WOULDN'T you wear sunglasses if you're comfortable playing with them? It's not saying that the players have clear cut tells without sunglasses, but their reasoning is that they might as well put them on just in case. Take Chris Ferguson for example. He clearly doesn't need sunglasses and yet he wears them simply as a preference.Also with sunglasses, you can look at things without having other players know you're looking there. You can be facing downwards towards the cards for example, but actually be glancing at your opponent to watch his expressions. It really makes little to no difference though.

And they're right. Jarednjames, although you only made one "mistake" in this topic, it makes one curious on to how much you really know about the game, which resulted in the criticism of your post where you claimed that you do know how to play Hold'em.

 

[Evo]

Some people just wear sunglasses as a bit of insurance. That is, why WOULDN'T you wear sunglasses if you're comfortable playing with them? It's not saying that the players have clear cut tells without sunglasses, but their reasoning is that they might as well put them on just in case. Take Chris Ferguson for example. He clearly doesn't need sunglasses and yet he wears them simply as a preference.Also with sunglasses, you can look at things without having other players know you're looking there. You can be facing downwards towards the cards for example, but actually be glancing at your opponent to watch his expressions. It really makes little to no difference though.

And they're right. Jarednjames, although you only made one "mistake" in this topic, it makes one curious on to how much you really know about the game, which resulted in the criticism of your post where you claimed that you do know how to play Hold'em.

Actually, the pupils can dilate or contract depending on emotions. My company put me through a few courses on how to "read people" because I was in technical sales dealing with multimillion dollar contracts. The pupils were a big one to watch, as were subtle voice changes, posture, fingers, feet, tilt of head, repeated movements. How to detect slight changes in the voice. Persiration, breathing, facial coloring. Quite interesting. These skills of observation can be used quite effectively in poker.

 

[xxChrisxx]

Actually, the pupils can dilate or contract depending on emotions. My company put me through a few courses on how to "read people" because I was in technical sales dealing with multimillion dollar contracts. The pupils were a big one to watch, as were subtle voice changes, posture, fingers, feet, tilt of head, repeated movements. How to detect slight changes in the voice. Persiration, breathing, facial coloring. Quite interesting. These skills of observation can be used quite effectively in poker.

I think were all getting too hung up on the eyes and sunglasses to be honest.

There is no doubt they are a factor in live games. The point is its not the be all and end all.

The beauty of poker is that at face value its a very simple game, yet can have an unrivalled depth.

 

[JaredJames]

And they're right. Jarednjames, although you only made one "mistake" in this topic, it makes one curious on to how much you really know about the game, which resulted in the criticism of your post where you claimed that you do know how to play Hold'em.

First issue aside, please, do tell what my mistakes in previous posts were. I will happily respond to criticism but to blankly say "you are to be ignored because of one mistake" does not work. Whether in this thread or any other one here.

If you can give me reason beyond doubt that my latter posts are incorrect or irrelevant, and as such should not be included in the thread I will happily back down.

As I've asked previously, do any persons involved in the last few posts completely disagree with my previous posts regarding poker?

 

[xxChrisxx]

First issue aside, please, do tell what my mistakes in previous posts were. I will happily respond to criticism but to blankly say "you are to be ignored because of one mistake" does not work. Whether in this thread or any other one here.

there is no need to be so defensive. It's just that it was such a colossal error that it's impossible to ignore. And calls into question just how much you have played any form of poker.

I've been posting on my phone so its hard to review posts and respond. But its not a case of 'mistakes' you are making, as what is important in poker is subjective. What you are thinking is important shows no experience playing poker.

As I've asked previously, do any persons involved in the last few posts completely disagree with my previous posts regarding poker?

Not completely, but again your posts show a lack of experience with the game. Which is no bad thing, and nothing to be ashamed of. your subsequent posts try to make out that you do have some experience with the game 'holdem isn't my favourite' makes it sound like you pay quite a bit.

You are making classic statements that people who don't really play the game make.

 

[mugaliens]

Do you have any reliable information to support that statement?

I won about $118 last night in a min-stakes game, so if you keep pressing these buttons, turbo, you're going to blow my cover, dang it!

Time to get your own game on, Turbo.

Ante up, And WOW! So many words!

Stop talking, people. Observe. Listen, learn.

Poker's not about stats (at least mostly not about stats) but about ego. The less one has, the better, and the more calculating one's mind, the better. The best poker players have no ego, know the stats odds six ways to Sunday, and are able to adjust those odds on the fly based on their reads of the other players (that's the art part).