Why Are Allowed Energy Levels Odd at ##x=0##?

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The discussion centers around the allowed energy levels of a particle in a one-dimensional potential well, specifically examining why these levels are odd at the boundary condition where the wave function is zero at ##x=0##. The potential is initially presented as a harmonic oscillator potential, with some confusion regarding its definition and dimensions.

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  • Participants explore the implications of boundary conditions on wave functions and question the nature of the allowed energy levels. There are attempts to clarify the potential's definition and its physical significance, as well as discussions on the dimensional correctness of the potential energy expression.

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Participants are actively questioning the setup of the problem, particularly the potential energy function and its implications for solving the Schrödinger equation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the continuity of the wave function and the use of Hermite polynomials, while others emphasize the importance of understanding the dimensions of the potential.

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There is ongoing confusion regarding the correct form of the potential energy function, with multiple corrections being proposed. The discussion reflects a mix of mathematical implications and physical interpretations, highlighting the need for clarity in definitions and assumptions.

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Homework Statement
Find the allowed energy levels of a particle of mass m moving in the one-dimensional potential

energy well $$

V(x)=\left\{

\begin{array}{ll}

\frac{1}{2}m\omega^2x^2, \ x > 0\\

0, \ x < 0

\end{array}

\right.

$$
Relevant Equations
Harmonic oscillator
I know that there is a boundary condition at ##x=0## where the wave function becomes zero however why are the allowed energy levels odd i.e. ##n=1, 3, 5 ..##
 
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tryingtolearn1 said:
Homework Statement:: Find the allowed energy levels of a particle of mass m moving in the one-dimensional potential

energy well $$

V(x)=\left\{

\begin{array}{ll}

\frac{1}{2}m\omega^2x^2, \ x > 0\\

0, \ x < 0

\end{array}

\right.

$$
Relevant Equations:: Harmonic oscillator

I know that there is a boundary condition at ##x=0## where the wave function becomes zero however why are the allowed energy levels odd i.e. ##n=1, 3, 5 ..##
I believe there is no a physical way to answer this, maybe @PeroK can know one. But, anyway, this is a math implication so even we don't know why, we know that need to be it.

Why don't you try to solve the Schrödinger equation in both sides? Remember the conditions:
$$\psi, \psi'$$ is continuous.
 
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tryingtolearn1 said:
I know that there is a boundary condition at ##x=0## where the wave function becomes zero

Why?
 
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tryingtolearn1 said:
$$
V(x)=\left\{
\begin{array}{ll}
\frac{1}{2}m\omega^2x^2, \ x > 0\\
0, \ x < 0
\end{array}
\right.
$$
Is this the correct potential?
 
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vela said:
Is this the correct potential?
Opps the correct potential is:

$$

V(x)=\left\{
\begin{array}{ll}
\frac{1}{2}m\omega^2x^2, \ x < 0\\
\infty , \ x > 0
\end{array}
\right.
$$
 
tryingtolearn1 said:
Opps the correct potential is:

$$

V(x)=\left\{
\begin{array}{ll}
\frac{1}{2}m\omega^2x^2, \ x < 0\\
\infty , \ x > 0
\end{array}
\right.
$$
I think the dimensions of your potential are incorrect. In SI units energy is ##kg(\frac{m}{s})^2##, where ##kg## is kilograms, ##m## is meters and ##s## is seconds, but the units of your potential are ##kg(\frac{m}{s})^2(radians)^2##. If you can fix the units issue you face the problem solving Schrödinger's equation in a quadratic potential. Hint: The wave function is expressed in terms of Hermite polynomials.
 
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Fred Wright said:
I think the dimensions of your potential are incorrect. In SI units energy is ##kg(\frac{m}{s})^2##, where ##kg## is kilograms, ##m## is meters and ##s## is seconds, but the units of your potential are ##kg(\frac{m}{s})^2(radians)^2##. If you can fix the units issue you face the problem solving Schrödinger's equation in a quadratic potential. Hint: The wave function is expressed in terms of Hermite polynomials.
Does it matter?
 
Fred Wright said:
I think the dimensions of your potential are incorrect. In SI units energy is ##kg(\frac{m}{s})^2##, where ##kg## is kilograms, ##m## is meters and ##s## is seconds, but the units of your potential are ##kg(\frac{m}{s})^2(radians)^2##. If you can fix the units issue you face the problem solving Schrödinger's equation in a quadratic potential. Hint: The wave function is expressed in terms of Hermite polynomials.

Angles are dimensionless, and the potential energy of a harmonic oscillator, ##V(x) = \frac{1}{2}kx^2 = \frac{1}{2}m\omega^2 x^2##, has dimensions ##[V] = ML^2 T^{-2}##. The units of angular velocity can be taken to be ##\mathrm{s^{-1}}##.
 
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etotheipi said:
Angles are dimensionless, and the potential energy of a harmonic oscillator, ##V(x) = \frac{1}{2}kx^2 = \frac{1}{2}m\omega^2 x^2##, has dimensions ##[V] = ML^2 T^{-2}##. The units of angular velocity can be taken to be ##\mathrm{s^{-1}}##.
You're right. My bad.
 
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tryingtolearn1 said:
Oops, the correct potential is:
$$
V(x)=\begin{cases}
\frac{1}{2}m\omega^2x^2, & x < 0 \\
\infty, & x > 0
\end{cases}
$$
OK, so what you want to do is follow @LCSphysicist's suggestion in post #2. That should lead you to the answers to your question and @etotheipi's in post #3. If you get stuck, post again and show us your work, and we can go from there.
 
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Well, sure, but the point was to have the OP figure that out for himself/herself.
 
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vela said:
Well, sure, but the point was to have the OP figure that out for himself/herself.
Oops, I didn't see it that way. Post deleted.
 

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