Why are P/M and D/H defined oppositely in Electromagnetism

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The discussion centers on the definitions of electric displacement field (D) and magnetic field strength (H) in electromagnetism, specifically their relationship to polarization (P) and magnetization (M). The equations presented are D = ε₀E + P and H = B/μ₀ - M, highlighting that P and M are defined oppositely in relation to E and B. The distinction is clarified by the divergence and curl relations: ∇·P = -ρ_bound and ∇×M = +J_bound, indicating that H is a more fundamental quantity than B, as it remains unchanged by the material properties affecting B.

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The definitions of D and H are:

##D=\epsilon_0 E+P##
##H=B/\mu_0-M####P=\epsilon_0 \chi E##
##M=\chi H##

I was wondering, if E and B are the fundamental field relating to all charges/currents, why is the definition of the polarisation the opposite for each of them? So why is H in the definition of M and not B, when B is the actual physical field.

Thanks
 
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You can trace the difference in sign to the relations

##\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{P} = -\rho_{bound}## and ##\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{M} = +\vec{J}_{bound}##

where ##\vec{P}## and ##\vec{M}## are electric and magnetic polarization vectors.
 
I<3NickTesla said:
The definitions of D and H are:

##D=\epsilon_0 E+P##
##H=B/\mu_0-M####P=\epsilon_0 \chi E##
##M=\chi H##

I was wondering, if E and B are the fundamental field relating to all charges/currents, why is the definition of the polarisation the opposite for each of them? So why is H in the definition of M and not B, when B is the actual physical field.

Thanks
I would venture that H is more fundamental than B, in the sense that B is H modified by magnetic material, just as D is E modified by dielectric material.
E.g. you have a solenoid with current thru it: the B field is one thing if the core is air and another if the core is iron. But H does not change. Ampere's law is most simply stated as ∫H ds = I.

But that's just a venture. :smile:
 

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