Why Are the EOMs for a Complex Scalar Field Not Independent?

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The discussion focuses on deriving the equations of motion for a complex scalar field described by the Lagrangian \( L=\partial_\mu \phi^* \partial^\mu \phi - V( \phi,\phi^* ) \), where \( V( \phi,\phi^* )= m^2 \phi^* \phi + \lambda (\phi^* \phi)^2 \). The equations of motion obtained are \( \Box \phi^* -m^2 \phi^* +2\lambda (\phi^*)^2 \phi =0 \) and \( \Box \phi -m^2 \phi +2\lambda (\phi)^2 \phi^* =0 \). It is confirmed that these fields are not independent due to their interaction, contradicting previous claims made by tutorial helpers.

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Homework Statement


Find the equations of motion for the Lagrangian below:

$$ L=\partial_\mu \phi^* \partial^\mu \phi - V( \phi,\phi^* ) $$
Where :
$$ V( \phi,\phi^* )= m^2 \phi^* \phi + \lambda (\phi^* \phi)^2 $$

Homework Equations


Euler Lagrange equation:

$$ \partial_\mu \dfrac {\partial L} {\partial (\partial_\mu \phi)} -\dfrac {\partial L} {\partial \phi} =0 $$

The Attempt at a Solution


So I have calculated the equations of motion for each field but I'm surprised to find they're not independent of each other so I'm wondering if I've made a mistake somewhere? Here are my workings:

$$ \dfrac {\partial L} {\partial \phi} =m^2 \phi^* +2\lambda (\phi^*)^2 \phi $$
$$\dfrac {\partial L} {\partial (\partial_\mu \phi)} = \partial_\mu \phi^* $$
So then the equations of motion are:
$$\Box \phi^* -m^2 \phi^* +2\lambda (\phi^*)^2 \phi =0$$
$$\Box \phi -m^2 \phi +2\lambda (\phi)^2 \phi^* =0$$

Any suggestions would be appreciated :)
 
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Milsomonk said:
So then the equations of motion are:
$$\Box \phi^* -m^2 \phi^* +2\lambda (\phi^*)^2 \phi =0$$
$$\Box \phi -m^2 \phi +2\lambda (\phi)^2 \phi^* =0$$
Looks like a sign error in one of the terms on the left. Otherwise, I think it's OK.

You are right that the fields are not independent. They are interacting with one another.
 
Ahh yeah I see the issue, thanks :) Yeah I just thought it was odd as one of the tutorial helpers said they were independent... but they were clearly incorrect. Thanks for your insight :)
 

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