Why are there no probability amplitudes in MWI?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the role of probability amplitudes in the Many-Worlds Interpretation (MWI) of quantum mechanics, particularly in the context of measurement and wavefunction transformation. Participants explore mathematical representations and the implications of using amplitudes within MWI.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that in MWI, the transformation of the wavefunction during measurement does not involve probability amplitudes, questioning their role in the interpretation.
  • Another participant counters that MWI employs the same mathematical framework as other quantum mechanics interpretations, which includes amplitudes.
  • A participant seeks clarification on whether their mathematical examples align with the standard quantum mechanics math referenced by others.
  • Concerns are raised about the representation of states in the transformation, particularly regarding whether the states after measurement are distinct or identical.
  • A participant acknowledges an error in their notation regarding the states after measurement and asks if correcting this would validate their formula.
  • It is noted that the correctness of the formula depends on the presence of an appropriate interaction Hamiltonian, regardless of the complex amplitudes used.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the use of probability amplitudes in MWI, with some asserting their presence and others questioning their relevance. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these differing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference standard quantum mechanics textbooks for foundational math, indicating a reliance on established definitions and frameworks. There are unresolved questions about the specific interactions and corrections in the mathematical representations discussed.

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If I consider the MWI, one of the notions for what happens during measurement is that the initial wavefunction, if I use Dirac notation and two dimensions, ##|A\rangle+|B\rangle## undergoes the transformation ##(|A\rangle+|B\rangle)|E_{before}\rangle \rightarrow |A\rangle|E_{after}\rangle+|B\rangle|E_{after}\rangle##. So would it then also be correct that we can include the probability amplitudes, to get for instance this?: ##(a|A\rangle+b|B\rangle)|E_{before}\rangle \rightarrow a|A\rangle|E_{after}\rangle+b|B\rangle|E_{after}\rangle##? It seems to me the latter is not correct, because in MWI there are no amplitudes used. Why is that?
 
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entropy1 said:
in MWI there are no amplitudes used
Yes, they are. MWI uses the same math as all QM interpretations, and that math has amplitudes.
 
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PeterDonis said:
Yes, they are. MWI uses the same math as all QM interpretations, and that math has amplitudes.
Do my example formulas in #1 agree for the large part with the math you are referring to, or are they far off?
 
entropy1 said:
Do my example formulas in #1 agree for the large part with the math you are referring to
I'm not sure what you are trying to describe with the math in the OP. But the basic math of QM is described in any QM textbook.
 
entropy1 said:
##|A\rangle+|B\rangle## undergoes the transformation ##(|A\rangle+|B\rangle)|E_{before}\rangle \rightarrow |A\rangle|E_{after}\rangle+|B\rangle|E_{after}\rangle##.
Did you intend the two ##|E_{after}\rangle##'s to be different? If they're the same, what you're writing does not represent any interaction at all.
 
Why are there no probability amplitudes in MWI?

I notice that you often start threads with a statement that isn't true. I can't believe this is the most effective way of learning. As Peter said, MWI uses the same math as all QM interpretations.
 
PeterDonis said:
Did you intend the two ##|E_{after}\rangle##'s to be different? If they're the same, what you're writing does not represent any interaction at all.
Yes, sorry, that is an error. It should be _afterA and _afterB, or _measuredA and _measuredB. Is the formula correct if these errors are corrected?

I guess I have to start with that textbook or go study something. Thanks so far. :wink:
 
entropy1 said:
Is the formula correct if these errors are corrected?
If there is an appropriate interaction Hamiltonian between the two systems (the thing whose basis states are ##A## and ##B##, and the thing whose basis states are the ##E## states), yes. And this is true regardless of what complex amplitudes you put in front of the ##A## and ##B## terms: they just get carried through the process since the process is unitary.
 

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