Why C([0,1]) and C_{o} are not isomorphic?

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The discussion revolves around the isomorphism between the Banach space of continuous functions on the closed interval [0,1], denoted C([0,1]), and the direct sum of the space of functions vanishing at infinity on the open interval (0,1) and two copies of the complex numbers. Participants explore the definitions and properties of these function spaces, particularly focusing on the implications of continuity and behavior at the boundaries of the intervals.

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  • Some participants question the clarity of the original question regarding the isomorphism, particularly which category is being referenced.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of C([0,1]) as a Banach space and the definition of C_{o} as functions vanishing at infinity.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the applicability of C_{o} in the context of a compact interval, suggesting that functions like f(x)=|x-1/2| do not fit the definition as they do not vanish at infinity.
  • Another participant clarifies that C_{o} refers to functions on the open interval (0,1) that vanish at infinity, prompting questions about the appropriate norm for continuous functions on this interval.
  • Concerns are raised about the definition of functions vanishing at infinity on (0,1), with references to the need for points approaching infinity for such a definition to hold.
  • One participant proposes that vanishing at infinity on (0,1) could mean continuous functions on [0,1] that are zero at the endpoints, but this interpretation is contested.
  • Another participant suggests that the original poster's assumption about bounded continuous functions having finite limits at both ends is incorrect, indicating a potential misunderstanding in the definition of C_{o}.
  • There is a mention of an exact sequence involving C_{o}((0,1)), C([0,1]), and C ⊕ C, with confusion about the implications of this sequence not splitting due to isomorphism issues.

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Participants express differing views on the definitions and implications of the spaces involved, with no consensus reached on the nature of the isomorphism or the definitions of functions vanishing at infinity. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing interpretations.

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Participants highlight limitations in definitions and assumptions regarding the behavior of functions at the boundaries of intervals, particularly in relation to continuity and vanishing at infinity.

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Can anyone explain why C([0,1]) and C_{o} [tex]\oplus C[/tex][tex]\oplus C[/tex] (where C=complex ) are not isomorphic?
 
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Your question is not clear to me. Not isomorphic as what? Which category? C([0,1]) looks like the space of continuous functions on the unit interval. With what structure? Banach space? What is C_{o}?
 


Sorry for not being clear.

Yes, C([0,1]) is as a Banach space and C_{o} is the space of function vanishing at infinity.
 


I am trying to think, but I got confused. We are on on a compact interval and C_{o} does not make much sense for me in this situation. Say, I take f(x)=|x-1/2|. It is continuous, vanishes at 1/2 and so it is in C_{o} (can be made arbitrarily small outside a compact set)!
 
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Sorry, I forgot to put in (0,1). For some reason, I think that I did. (Texing is not going very well for me.) So, It's the space of function on (0,1) vanishing at infinity.
 


But for continuous functions on an open interval which norm are you taking?
 


I assume that we are taking the sup norm. Is there a problem?
 


Yes, there is a problem. For instance 1/x is a continuous function on the open interval (0,1).
 


The only definitions I've seen about functions vanishing at infinity require you to have points that go to infinity. How are you defining it on the interval (0,1)?
 
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Office_Shredder said:
The only definitions I've seen about functions vanishing at infinity require you to have points that go to infinity. How are you defining it on the interval (0,1)?

I guess like in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous_functions_on_a_compact_Hausdorff_space" in "Generalizations".

I guess he will replace now C(X) by "continuous bounded functions", but then we have sin(1/x)
which is continuous bounded, but has no limit at x=0 - which will spoil the isomorphism. My guess is that these two complex C were supposed to be the limits at both ends.
 
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From a first glance, it seems that vanishing at infinity on (0,1) just means continuous functions on [0,1] which are zero at 0 and 1. Just looking at intervals of the form (1/n, 1-1/n), for each epsilon f(x) can only be larger than epsilon on finitely many of these intervals, which means that looking at the limit at x goes to zero or 1 must be zero. Is that wrong?
 
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Office_Shredder said:
From a first glance, it seems that vanishing at infinity on (0,1) just means continuous functions on [0,1] which are zero at 0 and 1. Just looking at intervals of the form (1/n, 1-1/n), for each epsilon f(x) can only be larger than epsilon on finitely many of these intervals, which means that looking at the limit at x goes to zero or 1 must be zero. Is that wrong?

I think this is the case. The mistake of the OP was that he thought that every bounded continuous function has finite limits at both end. You would subtract then the straight line connecting these segments and you get vanishing at the ends.
 
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I was trying to figure out why the sequence:

0 --> C_{o}((0,1)) --> C[([0,1]) --> C[tex]\oplus[/tex]C --> 0

is exact but does not split. I got confused thinking that if the middle is not isomorphic to the direct sum of two sides then the sequence does not split. This is only the case when the one on the left is unital.
 

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