Why can't I just square both sides and get the solution?

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The discussion revolves around solving the equation (x² + x - 2)² + x² = 4, with a focus on algebraic manipulation and reasoning. Participants explore various approaches to simplify or solve the equation without the use of calculators.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants suggest different methods, including plugging in values, expanding the equation, and factoring. Some question the effectiveness of introducing substitutions like y = x² + x - 2, while others propose direct expansion and factoring techniques.

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The discussion is active, with multiple participants offering insights and alternative methods. There is no clear consensus, but several productive directions have been proposed, including the exploration of rational roots and polynomial division.

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Participants note the restriction of not using calculators and the potential complexity of the problem, suggesting it may be designed to challenge problem-solving skills. There is also mention of the integral root theorem and assumptions about the nature of the solution.

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Homework Statement


Solve the equation
(x² + x -2)² + x² = 4
*Calculators aren't allowed

Homework Equations


Algebra

The Attempt at a Solution


Adding x - 2
(x² + x -2)² + x² + (x - 2) = 4 + x - 2
Now, let's say y = x² + x -2, then
y² + y - (2 + x) = 0
But it isn't solvable yet
 
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Have you tried plugging some numbers in it like 0 or 1?

or even some small negative numbers like -1 or -2?

To start solving it, try expanding the first term (x^2 + x - 2)^2 and then add in the x^2 term

use the trick:
Code:
                                     x^2   +    x    - 2
                                 *  x^2   +    x    - 2
                                 -----------------------
                                  -2x^2    - 2x   + 4
                         x^3 +...
              x^4 + ...
             -----------------------------
             x^4 + ...
 
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Dinheiro said:

Homework Statement


Solve the equation
(x² + x -2)² + x² = 4
*Calculators aren't allowed

Homework Equations


Algebra

The Attempt at a Solution


Adding x - 2
(x² + x -2)² + x² + (x - 2) = 4 + x - 2
Now, let's say y = x² + x -2, then
y² + y - (2 + x) = 0
But it isn't solvable yet

That method does not help. Now you have two unknowns instead of one.
Expand the square, bring the equation in form f(x)=0 and try to factorize . It is quite simple.

ehild
 
Dinheiro said:

Homework Statement


Solve the equation
(x² + x -2)² + x² = 4
*Calculators aren't allowed

Homework Equations


Algebra

The Attempt at a Solution


Adding x - 2
(x² + x -2)² + x² + (x - 2) = 4 + x - 2
Now, let's say y = x² + x -2, then
y² + y - (2 + x) = 0
But it isn't solvable yet

Take -4 on each side, then x^2-4=(x-2)(x+2) and then add x^2(x+2) to each side. It should all fall into place after that.

Also keep in mind that as jedishrfu suggested, you can find some easy rational roots such as x=0 and x=-2, and when you do find such roots, you then know that

f(x)=(x^2+x-2)^2+x^2-4=x(x+2)(ax^2+bx+c)

For some constant a,b,c (you can quickly tell that a=1 for example) and then you can find b and c after comparing coefficients. This is also what polynomial division accomplishes.
 
jedishrfu said:
Have you tried plugging some numbers in it like 0 or 1?

or even some small negative numbers like -1 or -2?

To the OP: to make it look less random, it is an application of the integral root theorem. If you have a polynomial, where the leading coefficient is 1, if the polynomial has an integer root, it is guaranteed to divide the free coefficient.

If you try to attack the problem by brute force, just squaring and tidying the polynomial in question you will find there is no free coefficient, so 0 is one of the roots. After factoring it out, you will find the remaining 3rd degree polynomial has the free coefficient equal 4 - so possible integer roots are -4, -2, -1, 1, 2 and 4. Just try them all, and you will be left with a simple quadratic equation.

This is in turn weaker version of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_root_theorem.
 
Dinheiro said:

Homework Statement


Solve the equation
(x² + x -2)² + x² = 4
*Calculators aren't allowed

Homework Equations


Algebra

The Attempt at a Solution


Adding x - 2
(x² + x -2)² + x² + (x - 2) = 4 + x - 2
Now, let's say y = x² + x -2, then
y² + y - (2 + x) = 0
But it isn't solvable yet

If this is an olympiad question, you might assume the solution is easy, but tricky. Try assuming the two terms on the left are equal; that is, try ##x^2 = 2, \: x^2 + x - 2 = x##.
 
Thanks!
 
x2+x-2=(x+2)(x-1)

So
(x^2+x-2)^2=(x+2)^2(x-1)^2

Try substituting that into your equation, and factoring out (x+2). The remaining factor will simplify greatly if you expand it.

Chet
 
Thanks, Chet, a good way to solve too
 
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You could have solved the problem without any tricks, just expanding the square:

##(x^2+x-2)^2+x^2-4=0##
##x^4+2x^3+x^2-4x^2-4x+4+x^2-4=0\rightarrow x^4+2x^3-2x^2-4x=0##
x can be factored out, one root is zero.

##x^3+2x^2-2x-4=x^2(x+2)-2(x+2) ##... easy to factorize further.

ehild
 

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