Why Did Sarah Palin Resign as Governor?

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Sarah Palin announced her resignation as Governor of Alaska, effective immediately, to avoid being a "lame duck" governor. This decision has raised speculation about potential scandals or personal issues, including financial difficulties and her son's health. Analysts suggest that her resignation may be a strategic move to focus on national aspirations, particularly in light of declining oil revenues and her waning popularity. The discussion highlights the complexities within the Republican Party and the implications of her departure on her political future.

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  • #61
humanino said:
Frankly I read good chunks of it, and it was worth several good laughs.

I really try, but I keep hearing my horrible 3rd grade teacher in my head..."Don't roll your eyes, they'll get stuck the way!"
 
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  • #62
SarahPalin_Facebook said:
Happy 4th of July from Alaska!

On this Independence Day, I am so very proud of all those who have chosen to serve our great nation and I honor their selflessness and the sacrifices of their families, too.

If I may, I would like to take a moment to reflect on the last 24 hours and share my thoughts with you.

First, I want to thank you for your support and hard work on the values we share. Those values led me to the decision my family and I made. Yesterday, my family and I announced a decision that is in Alaska's best interest and it always feels good to do what is right. We have accomplished more during this one term than most governors do in two - and I am proud of the great team that helped to build these wonderful successes. Energy independence and national security, fiscal restraint, smaller government, and local control have been my priorities and will remain my priorities.

For months now, I have consulted with friends and family, and with the Lieutenant Governor, about what is best for our wonderful state. I even made a few administrative changes over that course in time in preparation for yesterday. We have accomplished so much and there's much more to do, but my family and I determined after prayerful consideration that sacrificing my title helps Alaska most. And once I decided not to run for re-election, my decision was that much easier - I've never been one to waste time or resources. Those who know me know this is the right decision and obvious decision at that, including Senator John McCain. I thank him for his kind, insightful comments.

The response in the main stream media has been most predictable, ironic, and as always, detached from the lives of ordinary Americans who are sick of the "politics of personal destruction". How sad that Washington and the media will never understand; it's about country. And though it's honorable for countless others to leave their positions for a higher calling and without finishing a term, of course we know by now, for some reason a different standard applies for the decisions I make. But every American understands what it takes to make a decision because it's right for all, including your family.

I shared with you yesterday my heartfelt and candid reasons for this change; I've never thought I needed a title before one's name to forge progress in America. I am now looking ahead and how we can advance this country together with our values of less government intervention, greater energy independence, stronger national security, and much-needed fiscal restraint. I hope you will join me. Now is the time to rebuild and help our nation achieve greatness!

God bless you! And I look forward to making a difference - with you!

Sarah

Stand up comics rejoice. And I am so sure that John McCain gave her encouragement to run for national office. Chances are she must not have understood him correctly.
 
  • #63
Did anyone see Ed Rollins yesterday - the campaign manager that masterminded Reagan's 49 State sweep? He was one very unhappy camper. I haven't seen him this upset since election night.

Palin's Friday news conference "raised a lot more questions than she answered. Usually, at a press conference, you answer questions. I think the bottom line is you saw a shooting star come crashing to Earth.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/04/earlyshow/main5132826.shtml

From my point of view, she already had a huge credibility problem. She made a very poor showing in 08 and the ONLY reason for her intense popularity early on was that she was a gun-toten spinster [as in political spin] that no one knew anything about. Once people got to know a little about her, and due to her laughable performance, she became a liability to McCain. Now, by abandoning her post, she has destroyed any chance that she had to demonstrate that she was ready to run for Federal office.

She has only proven again that she cannot be taken seriously.
 
  • #64
I just read this article from a few days ago. It wasn't interesting then, but today it carries a little more context, since it gives some glimpse into Sarah before her announcement has colored things further. The part about moving from Alaska seems possibly a precursor to her resignation. But "promoting physical fitness" ... that's a head scratcher.
Palin E-mails Show Infighting With Staff
... "Alaska would be hard to give up because it is such a part of who I am. So much of my life revolves around the great outdoors that that would be kind of tough," Palin said. "But on the other hand, I think of being in D.C. and in a position to promote physical fitness and the benefits of making good decisions health-wise and being an example to others, and I know that could do some good for our country."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/01/politics/main5128672.shtml
 
  • #65
WheelsRCool said:
I never said abortion should be banned. But it is a touchy issue.

However, in modern America, I don't think her daughter would need any family. The government will provide her with Medicaid, an apartment, a welfare check, food stamps, and so forth. Or maybe that's just New York State where I am? I know it's the "cool" thing among many young girls, just pop out a kid, and the government gives you all the above, and you can have parties and so forth, pop out a second kid and you get a bigger apartment (an example of a social program incentivizing bad behavior).
I never said you did. Palin is pro-life. She is the one we are talking about. You say she is immune to attacks on the abortion issue simply because she has not had one? That's a rather poor argument in my opinion. I doubt that she has ever been poor either. That doesn't mean she is immune to attack on issues reagarding the poor (this is an example, not an insinuation that she has a bad record regarding poverty).

Wheels said:
The same way in which Barack Obama wasn't liked per se by "moderate" Democrats, but attracted much of the overall "moderate" vote in the population.
I would say a major reason Obama attracted so many moderates was because they were unimpressed by his opposition, which does not reflect well on Palin's influence with moderates.


Wheels said:
I wouldn't say it was just Hillary voters. The truth is there are lot of women in this country with Palin's point-of-view. All women are not automatically pro-choice Democrats. And Palin was no poor representative of women in politics. She just needs some fine-tuning. Same as Caroline Kennedy would have if she'd gotten into the Senate.
I do not deny that there are women who would vote for Palin. I think though that you are greatly exaggerating her influence. Obviously there are people who voted her into office as governor. There are also people who voted an Action Movie Star into office, a Pro Wrestler, and currently there is even a Porn Star garnering support to be elected for office.


Wheels said:
Bad analysis. You're talking about CBS polls, which cannot be trusted. Furthermore, if that was the case, again, NO ONE ON THE LEFT WOULD CARE about Sarah Palin. They are only so viscious regarding her because she is such a threat to them.
You could say that about any polling.
And the left needn't a real threat to be vicious detractors. Many of them will pounce on any opportunity to paint the right poorly in general. Palin is a prime target for making the right look bad the same way Ventura is a prime target for making independents look like nuts.
 
  • #66
The woman has mental issues, and the only question here is what self promotion angle is she planning? Does anyone doubt that this is the prelude to some scheme?
 
  • #67
LowlyPion said:
But "promoting physical fitness" ... that's a head scratcher.

Well I guess that's how the Governator got started. Does that mean she's taking a step backwards?
 
  • #68
TheStatutoryApe said:
Well I guess that's how the Governator got started. Does that mean she's taking a step backwards?

Granted the comment was made to Runner's World. But still and all, I doubt she could go 1 on 1 against the Big O, that inhabits the White House.

I think it really reveals that she is grasping for an agenda or an issue to promote.

Otherwise, we will have to await Barracuda - The Book to find out what vapid policy agenda she will be pinning her hopes by latching on to.
 
  • #69
Evo said:
The woman has mental issues, and the only question here is what self promotion angle is she planning? Does anyone doubt that this is the prelude to some scheme?

I'm sure there is a book promotion in the works. Likely the Neo-Con Skunkworks are slaving on cobbling some manifesto together for her to memorize to help her look like she has some gravitas.

I await the Book tour. That will be a gauntlet of interviews that will surely rain more entertaining nuggets from the Sarah Tree.
 
  • #70
y'know, we could just wait and see what happens
 
  • #71
I await the Book tour. That will be a gauntlet of interviews that will surely rain more entertaining nuggets from the Sarah Tree.

I can hardly wait for her book to come out :-p Probably will be an impassioned plea for Americans to understand that she can actually see Russia from her house, the global media conspiracy to discredit her and her family, and a 100 page diatribe against her would be son in law Levi Johnston and David Letterman.
 
  • #72
Maureen Dowd is a bit (understatement) brutal in her column, but interestingly close to the mark.

What looked like a secret wedding turned out to be a public unraveling as the G.O.P. implosion continued: Sarah wanted everyone to know that she’s not having fun and people are being mean to her and she doesn’t feel like finishing her first term as governor.

Entire ripping analysis here: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/05/opinion/05dowd.html
 
  • #73
Can we keep it to Sarah Palin? These long screeds may make people feel better that write them, but frankly I don't read them.

Pithiness is in too short a supply.

Translation: You have no ability to refute.

And I keep it to Sarah Palin. But when you're one guy defending Sarah Palin versus an entire forum criticizing your comments, you try to answer each one, and with some detail.

From my point of view, she already had a huge credibility problem. She made a very poor showing in 08 and the ONLY reason for her intense popularity early on was that she was a gun-toten spinster [as in political spin] that no one knew anything about. Once people got to know a little about her, and due to her laughable performance, she became a liability to McCain.

This is nonsense and completely baseless. Our current President is who had a huge credibility problem. So did Joseph Biden. Both still do. No one seemed to have any problem with them though.

Now, by abandoning her post, she has destroyed any chance that she had to demonstrate that she was ready to run for Federal office.

She has only proven again that she cannot be taken seriously.

Show me how either Barack Obama or Joseph Biden ever showed they could be taken seriously. In what way at all did either show they were qualified for the position of President and VP? The truth is they did not.

I never said you did. Palin is pro-life. She is the one we are talking about. You say she is immune to attacks on the abortion issue simply because she has not had one? That's a rather poor argument in my opinion. I doubt that she has ever been poor either. That doesn't mean she is immune to attack on issues reagarding the poor (this is an example, not an insinuation that she has a bad record regarding poverty).

Oh I am not saying one cannot criticize her for being pro-life if one is pro-choice. I just meant as a pro-life person, she adheres to her belief, so to attack her on it is a lot tougher.

It's like say if a politician supported the Iraq War when having fought in Vietnam. Does this make the politician immune from attacks per se, the "You support a war but never fought in one!" type of stuff? Yes. Does this mean one cannot criticize their position however? Not at all.

I do not deny that there are women who would vote for Palin. I think though that you are greatly exaggerating her influence. Obviously there are people who voted her into office as governor. There are also people who voted an Action Movie Star into office, a Pro Wrestler, and currently there is even a Porn Star garnering support to be elected for office.

If I am greatly exaggerating her influence, there would be no concern over her (or rejoice right now) from the political left. And Barack Obama would have won a landslide popular vote-wise, which he didn't (he won a landslide in terms of electoral votes however).

You could say that about any polling.

Well I think polls such as Rasmussen, Gallup, and a few others are reputable and non-partisan.

And the left needn't a real threat to be vicious detractors. Many of them will pounce on any opportunity to paint the right poorly in general. Palin is a prime target for making the right look bad the same way Ventura is a prime target for making independents look like nuts.

Political opponents don't go after those who make the opposition party look bad, because the people doing that are their own undoing.

For example, there is no need for Republicans to go after Vice President Biden who makes the Democrats look stupid because he does this himself. There would be little need to do after Denis Kucinich who makes the Democrats look nuts because he does this himself.

There IS need to go after those that have much appeal and make the opposition party look good. Such people constitute a threat and must be brought down. Sarah Palin, right now, is one of those, no matter how much hatemongering or namecalling the left spew for the time being.

The woman has mental issues, and the only question here is what self promotion angle is she planning? Does anyone doubt that this is the prelude to some scheme?

Specify...in what way does she have "mental issues?"

Well I guess that's how the Governator got started. Does that mean she's taking a step backwards?

She is a woman who has had five children who still has a nice build and body because she does a lot of running.

She was doing an interview with a running magazine. What do they expect, she's going to start talking about how to improve healthcare, education, government, foreign policy, etc...she just said she could see herself in D.C. promoting physical fitness and the benefits of running. I doubt she's going to go off on a tangent and say, "I can see myself in D.C. promoting change in our government, etc..."

And yes, actually that CAN do some good if a politician can inspire people to be more fit. If we could get rid of obesity in this country, we would automatically shave trillions off the healthcare system from obesity-related diseases. Palin shows one can have five children and work a full-time job and so forth and still keep a good build. That can resonate with a lot of people, in particular women.

Granted the comment was made to Runner's World. But still and all, I doubt she could go 1 on 1 against the Big O, that inhabits the White House.

Pretty much anyone with a decent understanding of the issues could very easily go 1 on 1 with the Big O. If the big O is so "Big," then why didn't he take on people like Sean Hannity in an all-out debate?

The truth is he is an ideologue and is profoundly ignorant on many of the issues, and there is nothing anybody can say to refute that.

I think it really reveals that she is grasping for an agenda or an issue to promote.

Otherwise, we will have to await Barracuda - The Book to find out what vapid policy agenda she will be pinning her hopes by latching on to.

Specify...in what way were Barack Obama's policies not vapid?

Because technically all he did was take a big pile of crap (there is a much more appropriate four-letter word for his policies, but I can't use it here), shape it to look like Swiss chocolate, and presented it to the public.

Many thought it was Swiss chocolate. Others couldn't tell. Some knew something didn't smell right. All will know what it really is if/when it starts really getting rammed down their throats in the near future. He ran on the same tired old nonsense the left have been promoting for years. No change whatsoever.

I await the Book tour. That will be a gauntlet of interviews that will surely rain more entertaining nuggets from the Sarah Tree.

Her last interview she did fairly well and backed the guy into a corner on a few things. I would underestimate her at all.

y'know, we could just wait and see what happens

Wisest post in the whole thread!
 
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  • #74
GeorginaS said:
Maureen Dowd is a bit (understatement) brutal in her column, but interestingly close to the mark.
Entire ripping analysis here: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/05/opinion/05dowd.html

"Mean" is a little bit of an understatement. No politician in recent memory has been so harassed and put through such scrutiny.

Furthermore, I do not remember anyone complaining back when Barack Obama was whining about Sean Hannity and Fox News tanking his poll numbers.
 
  • #75
WheelsRCool said:
Her daughter went and got knocked up. I doubt she would have kept, or even had, the baby if she really didn't want it.

How can you make claims like this? Do you really think that the daughter of a politician who is so anti-abortion is going to be allowed to have an abortion in the middle of a presidential campaign?

WheelsRCool said:
However, in modern America, I don't think her daughter would need any family. The government will provide her with Medicaid, an apartment, a welfare check, food stamps, and so forth. Or maybe that's just New York State where I am? I know it's the "cool" thing among many young girls, just pop out a kid, and the government gives you all the above, and you can have parties and so forth, pop out a second kid and you get a bigger apartment (an example of a social program incentivizing bad behavior).

When raising a child it is not nearly enough to be just given apartments, cash, food, etc.. that isn't support! You could have all the money and material things in the world and still be a terrible, unsupported parent!
 
  • #76
WheelsRCool said:
And yes, actually that CAN do some good if a politician can inspire people to be more fit. If we could get rid of obesity in this country, we would automatically shave trillions off the healthcare system from obesity-related diseases. Palin shows one can have five children and work a full-time job and so forth and still keep a good build.

But Palin is also wealthy: obesity is prevalent in people who take home close to the average wage, not a family whose breadwinners are a governor and an engineer with a combined salary of around $250,000!
 
  • #77
Show me how either Barack Obama or Joseph Biden ever showed they could be taken seriously. In what way at all did either show they were qualified for the position of President and VP? The truth is they did not.

They did not, Obama was humble enough to say that his foreign policy credentials were not great but that he was willing to learn. Compare that to Sarah Palin who said that she dabbled in foreign policy affairs just because Vladimir Putin flew over the state she governed. :-p

This is nonsense and completely baseless. Our current President is who had a huge credibility problem. So did Joseph Biden. Both still do. No one seemed to have any problem with them though.

What credibility problem does the current Obama administration have? You seem to be making a lot of rhetorical statements without elaborating. And if you are going to start talking about Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, Obama's middle name or citizenship and socialism, please note that there have been countless discussions on that. It is Sarah Palin who has credibility problems when she cannot even understand what the job of vice president entails.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H1hKaHDSvg&feature=fvst

Furthermore, I do not remember anyone complaining back when Barack Obama was whining about Sean Hannity and Fox News tanking his poll numbers.

Why should anyone complain? If Sarah Palin feels that the media have it against her, no one will complain her right to fight against it. But then again, when she obsessively blames the media for all her problems and gets into hissy fits and possible lawsuits, people wonder whether she is just thin skinned or unstable.

Pretty much anyone with a decent understanding of the issues could very easily go 1 on 1 with the Big O. If the big O is so "Big," then why didn't he take on people like Sean Hannity in an all-out debate?

Obama already debated with Bill O'Reilly on a number of issues. Sean Hannity? All Hannity does is criticize Obama and if the President had gone on the show, instead of focusing on the real issues at hand like the economy and foreign policy, he would probably focus the whole interview on whether the President is really an American, whether he hates white people and other absurd, ridiculous questions

I haven't seen anything racist or prejudiced from her church. If they believe in the End of Days, whatever, that's their belief. No different than the similar End of Days the global warming fearmongers currently in charge believe in. The Reverand Wright issue was because he said racist and anti-American things, had a history that suggested racism, and the hypocrisy the left showed on this; the mainstream media, they were going to cover that whole thing up! Do you really think they would have done so with a Republican? NO WAY.

Your arguments are incoherent and you keep jumping from one issue to another. The mainstream media have been portraying Sarah Palin in all her glory which includes interviews and speeches where she mumbles incoherently, illogically and shows a gross ignorance of the world at large. She leaves the media no choice.
 
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  • #78
How can you make claims like this? Do you really think that the daughter of a politician who is so anti-abortion is going to be allowed to have an abortion in the middle of a presidential campaign?

Ahh, I'm forgetting Bristol is under eighteen (or was at the time), my mistake. Sarah Palin probably would not have consented to the abortion then.

When raising a child it is not nearly enough to be just given apartments, cash, food, etc.. that isn't support! You could have all the money and material things in the world and still be a terrible, unsupported parent!

Perhaps not, BUT IT SURE HELPS to have your apartment paid for, cash, food stamps (actually a card now I think), Medicaid, and so forth. It makes things easier.

But Palin is also wealthy: obesity is prevalent in people who take home close to the average wage, not a family whose breadwinners are a governor and an engineer with a combined salary of around $250,000!

Todd Palin isn't an engineer, he's a pipeline worker unless he advanced as of late. And this means nothing. In fact, one would think obesity would be more prevalent in those who earn at least $250K because those are your worker-bees who lack the time to workout, and also white-collar jobs tend to be more sitting on one's butt.

Most people prefer a 9 to 5 and that's it. Your highly-paid lawyers, doctors, and so forth, don't get to their level of high pay without working hard and long hours, oftentimes over 60+ hours a week. One would think such people would have less time to workout.

And BTW, $250K isn't rich, nowhere near in fact.

Obesity is prevalent because

1) Americans eat too much bad food (but don't worry, with universal healthcare, maybe government will levy a huge tax on it)

2) People in general are lazy and don't exercise at all

They did not, Obama was humble enough to say that his foreign policy credentials were not great but that he was willing to learn. Compare that to Sarah Palin who said that she dabbled in foreign policy affairs just because Vladimir Putin flew over the state she governed.

He had no foreign policy credentials whatsoever, none of them did. He originally talked about bombing Pakistan, referred to Iran as a "tiny country," and said he would sit down with foreign dictators without preconditions. He was learning on-the-fly.

And that has nothing to do with her willingness to learn on the issues. In other words, neither of them was very knowledgeable on foreign policy issues at the time, but both are willing to learn.

What credibility problem does the current Obama administration have? You seem to be making a lot of rhetorical statements without elaborating. And if you are going to start talking about Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, Obama's middle name or citizenship and socialism, please note that there have been countless discussions on that.

His credibility problem is that he yes, he is either a racist or okay with racists and there is nothing anybody can say to refute that, and two, he never showed any in-depth knowledge or reasoning for any of the crazy policies he has been espousing.

He wants to ram his holy trinity of healthcare, education, and energy big government plans down our throats with no real debate on the subject whatsoever.

It is Sarah Palin who has credibility problems when she cannot even understand what the job of vice president entails.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H1hKaHDSvg&feature=

Please. Of course it was fine for Biden to say FDR was President during the 1929 crash and there were televisions then (this a flub we all know they'd have had to pull Palin from the ticket if she'd made it).

Or that Biden is a proven liar. Or that he's been wrong on a great many foreign policy issues for years.

But he was perfectly qualified for VP :rolleyes:

Why should anyone complain? If Sarah Palin feels that the media have it against her, no one will complain her right to fight against it. But then again, when she obsessively blames the media for all her problems and gets into hissy fits and possible lawsuits, people wonder whether she is just thin skinned or unstable.

Perhaps "criticism" is the word I should have used, not complain. And I know of no "hissy fits" she gets into or lawsuits, aside from numerous baseless ethics charges brought against her.

And I think you need to take a look at Barack Obama who obsessively blames the media (actually Fox News) for things (George Stephanopoulos commented on this recently about his apparent obsession with the network).

Obama already debated with Bill O'Reilly on a number of issues.

Only a short little debate done only because he had to because he'd promised O'Reilly, and O'Reilly was playing the clip and then saying he was dishonest. O'Reilly has too large a viewership (a lot of moderates watch him in fact). There was little in-depth debate because they did not have time to go into the issues that much.

Sean Hannity? All Hannity does is criticize Obama and if the President had gone on the show, instead of focusing on the real issues at hand like the economy and foreign policy, he would probably focus the whole interview on whether the President is really an American, whether he hates white people and other absurd, ridiculous questions

Complete and total nonsense. First of all, the Reverand Wright issue was not any "absurd, ridiculous question." It was a completely legitimate issue. You're going to run for President, people question who you allied yourself with, especially someone like that. He would have asked him:

1) Why is he so familiar with the principles of radical Saul Alinsky? (there is a picture of Obama teaching the principles of Alinsky and three of his mentors studied at a school founded by Alinsky)

2) Why he attended a dinner in 2003 for Rashid Khalidi, a man holding anti-Israeli views.

3) What was his relationship to Frank Marshall Davis?

4) Why did he sit in a church for twenty years with a radical race-baiting pastor who seems to have anti-American views whom he became very close to (had him marry him to his wife and baptize his children, along with as a campaign advisor I believe, and referred to him as a father figure)

5) Why he wants to nationalize healthcare (have an in-depth discussion)

6) Why he wants to enact carbon cap-and-trade (have an in-depth discussion on how this would create jobs and not destroy them)

7) Why he has such an extremist view on abortion

8) Why he wants to put activist justices on the Supreme Court

9) Why he would sit down with foreign leaders without pre-conditions

10) Why he wants to "spread the wealth" and how that is not socialist

11) What does he mean when he speaks of "economic justice," restoring "fairness" to the tax code, what he means by "fair trade," and all that other arbitrary statist crap.

12) How his policies are not the same old leftwing socialist statist nonsense they've been pushing for years.

Have you gone to her church? How can you be so confident in your judgement?

I am plenty confident on my judgement of the Reverand Wright issue. I am plenty confident when I can clearly see the left's religion of environmentalism and their wanting to use it to force big government down our throats.
 
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  • #79
He had no foreign policy credentials whatsoever, none of them did. He originally talked about bombing Pakistan, referred to Iran as a "tiny country," and said he would sit down with foreign dictators without preconditions. He was learning on-the-fly.

What is wrong with learning as you go? A hallmark of a great, successful person is the willingness to listen and learn from past experiences whether good or bad.

As for all those questions, most of them have been answered by Obama. As far as I am concerned, they seem logical and follow reason. In fact, a few of them were answered on the O'Reilly factor.

I am plenty confident on my judgement of the Reverand Wright issue. I am plenty confident when I can clearly see the left's religion of environmentalism and their wanting to use it to force big government down our throats.

I asked you whether you were confident that Palin's pastor was not making any hateful remarks aimed at fellow Americans. Again you keep moving from topic to topic and your statements are illogical. Environmentalism is there to protect our planet and future generations from possible suffering.

Only a short little debate done only because he had to because he'd promised O'Reilly, and O'Reilly was playing the clip and then saying he was dishonest. O'Reilly has too large a viewership (a lot of moderates watch him in fact). There was little in-depth debate because they did not have time to go into the issues that much.

The debate lasted for very nearly an hour. So just because the O'Reilly factor is watched by moderates, it automatically does not count? So Bill O'Reilly has to have a certain amount of airtime devoted to bashing Obama heavily and illogically before the show can regain credibility in the eyes of the conservatives.

This is exactly the kind of polarizing effect that can seriously damage America, conservatives have to attack Obama because he is not a conservative or because he does not believe in their values. To be honest, the Couric-Palin interview was much easier to negotiate than the O'Reilly interview, Palin failed because she could not string an eloquent, logical sentence together and not because the interviewer was harsh.

He wants to ram his holy trinity of healthcare, education, and energy big government plans down our throats with no real debate on the subject whatsoever.

There are numerous debates in congress and Obama has been going around hosting town hall meetings with ordinary citizens trying to promote his administration's plans in regards to the economy, health care etc. Compare that to Palin who struts around and calls every plan that the Obama administration proposes as socialism without even knowing its definition.
 
  • #80
math_04 said:
What is wrong with learning as you go? A hallmark of a great, successful person is the willingness to listen and learn from past experiences whether good or bad.

If that is the case, then why was there any criticism over Palin's "lack" of foreign policy knowledge/experience? She was willing to learn and I think still is. She matched Joseph Biden in the VP debate.

Obama was running for President however. He should not have chosen to run without first being learned in the subjects. And McCain should not have chosen to run without knowing the economy (although Barack Obama didn't know that really either).

As for all those questions, most of them have been answered by Obama. As far as I am concerned, they seem logical and follow reason. In fact, a few of them were answered on the O'Reilly factor.

Not all of them, only some of them, and sort of. And none in-depth.

I asked you whether you were confident that Palin's pastor was not making any hateful remarks aimed at fellow Americans. Again you keep moving from topic to topic and your statements are illogical. Environmentalism is there to protect our planet and future generations from possible suffering.

I was just coming back to answer about Palin's church, had forgotten about that; I cannot be 100% confident her church never said such things, however, one would think if her church or pastor had said such things, she would have made it aware to the McCain campaign before joining, because it for sure would have come out in time.

I also would think the McCain campaign would have vetted her as best they could, and that would include the church.

Since nothing such has come out, and with so many out to get her, I think it is safe to assume her church is okay until otherwise disproven.

As for environmentalism, decent environmentalism is fine. But the religion of environmentalism, which is anti-capitalism, anti-individualism, anti-American (as we are the biggest "polluter"), is not. Global warming is a highly controversial theory right now with no one having any full arguments either way. Rushing to ram a carbon tax bill on the public as the President is trying is crazy right now.

Even if real, who says a carbon tax is the solution? No one knows for sure if the planet is warming, if so, if by humans, or just naturally, or by the Sun, and if being warmed, naturally or by humans, if warming will be bad, etc...and if it will be bad, how to stop it.

How will such a bill help with moving us off of foreign oil? Windmills, solar, etc...even if viable, won't do it. Oil is needed for fuel to run autos. Is President Obama aware that some say moving off of foreign oil is not possible or desirable? And such.

Extreme environmentalism has wrecked businesses, has led to millions of deaths in Africa from the not allowing nations there to use DDT to kill pests, and makes claims that are often groundless and can lead to catostrophe (such as the claim that species are dying at enormous rates or that trees are precious; for example, the environmental groups in California that hate the timber industry, even though we have more trees per capita today than we did 150 years ago, nevertheless, they will not cut much of the underbrush and dead trees in California forests, so those forests catch fire easily and create huge fires).

Notice no privately-owned and maintained forests by the big paper companies catch fire and burn down people's homes, because they clear out the underbrush, cut down the dead trees, and so forth, so it is far tougher for a fire to start.

Or the view that trees are somehow "sacred," when they're really just a big plant that can be regarded as a weed in a sense, as they suck up lots of water and block out the sunlight, making it tougher for other plants to survive.

Or the environmentalist view, I'm sure you've heard it, that nature uninhabited by humans is "un-spoiled, pristine, etc..." those are religious views.

I believe I read somewhere that the reason there is such gridlock in the Los Angelos highway system is because it's meant to handle 1960s traffic, not 21st century traffic levels. The solution would be to build some more highways for more cars, but the environmentalists put a stop to that.

The debate lasted for very nearly an hour. So just because the O'Reilly factor is watched by moderates, it automatically does not count? So Bill O'Reilly has to have a certain amount of airtime devoted to bashing Obama heavily and illogically before the show can regain credibility in the eyes of the conservatives.

NOOO. You mist-understood me. I meant that since the show is watched by moderates, Barack Obama had to do it.

This is exactly the kind of polarizing effect that can seriously damage America, conservatives have to attack Obama because he is not a conservative or because he does not believe in their values.

They criticize him because his "values" are a good deal fundamentally anti-American.

To be honest, the Couric-Palin interview was much easier to negotiate than the O'Reilly interview, Palin failed because she could not string an eloquent, logical sentence together and not because the interviewer was harsh.

Couric-Palin interview wasn't good, I agree.

[quote[There are numerous debates in congress and Obama has been going around hosting town hall meetings with ordinary citizens trying to promote his administration's plans in regards to the economy, health care etc. Compare that to Palin who struts around and calls every plan that the Obama administration proposes as socialism without even knowing its definition.[/QUOTE]

When you think big-government will fix everything, that is ultimately grounded in socialism. However, Palin does need to learn to articulate her views better. If she is smart, that is one reason why she resigned, if the job was keeping her from that. She cannot keep speaking in platitudes, that's okay at the start, but not as you advance.

Regarding President "O," his healthcare "town hall" recently did not permit opposing viewpoints. For example, he says you will be allowed to keep your existing health plan. But what if the public plan drives the private health insurance industry out of business? Many proponents of single-payer want to get to it via universal healthcare because of this very fact. Why should we think it will lower costs? How will rationing not occur? Is he aware the private health insurance sector is not a "free-market" so-to-speak. And so forth.

On carbon tax, I'd like to ask:

1) Why is carbon even considered a pollutant, when it isn't?
2) Why does he say "the debate is over" when it is not?
3) How will it create jobs and not harm the economy?
4) How is it not an incredible tax on everyone, and a very regressive one at that?
5) What kind of control is this going to give to government? It looks like a massive power grab.
6) Why does it apply California's housing standards nationwide when that state has wrecked its economy with its policies?

and so forth.
 
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  • #81
Evo said:
The woman has mental issues, and the only question here is what self promotion angle is she planning? Does anyone doubt that this is the prelude to some scheme?

That's what I thought at first. Another possibility is that some scandal is about to break, or would have broken had she stayed in office.
 
  • #82
WheelsRCool said:
Todd Palin isn't an engineer, he's a pipeline worker unless he advanced as of late. And this means nothing.

Really?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/30/wealth-makes-palins-no-ordinary-alaskans/?page=3

washington post said:
After Mrs. Palin's election as governor in 2006, Mr. Palin took a cut in his $120,000 annual pay as an engineer at BP in Prudhoe Bay to be to be an oil production operator at $46,790 a year.

...

Last year, Mrs. Palin received $125,000 as governor and Mr. Palin, an oil production operator and commercial fisherman, earned $93,000, along with $22,500 as a professional snow-machine racer.

It seems like he was an engineer, but took a demotion when Palin became governor. Still, the job title is purely semantics; the important point is the amount of money they earn (and this is before all the publicity!)

In fact, one would think obesity would be more prevalent in those who earn at least $250K because those are your worker-bees who lack the time to workout, and also white-collar jobs tend to be more sitting on one's butt.

Again, really?

http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.ehb.2005.05.003

This paper investigates obesity’s relationship to individuals’ wealth by analyzing data from a large U.S. longitudinal socio-economic survey. The results show a large negative association between BMI and White female’s net worth, a smaller negative association for Black women and White males and no relationship for Black males.


And BTW, $250K isn't rich, nowhere near in fact.

Finally.. really?

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html

Median household income, 2007 $50,740

$250,000 is a lot greater than $50,740. Thus, compared to the rest of the population, the Palins are wealthy.

It's normally better to use evidence to back up your position, rather than making throw away comments that are laughably fallacious!
 
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  • #83
Another possibility is that some scandal is about to break, or would have broken had she stayed in office.

Yes, that is what I also thought at first. But then again, it might have just been the stress of the job and the inability to wade through tough political battles. I have noticed that she, on many occasions, runs away from a tough battle, plays the blame game numerous times, despite having a possibly faked external aura of self confidence and brashness. It is almost as if she was thrust too fast into the political scene, felt deeply intimidated by the national political stage and combined with her possible lack of confidence and knowledge, gave up and fell into a big hole. Thankfully,this all means that a run for president in 2012 probably will not happen.
 
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  • #84
WheelsRCool said:
Translation: You have no ability to refute.

Don't be silly. Maybe save that kind of talk for a basketball court or a school yard? The real translation is as expressed, ... I have little interest in parsing your screeds.
 
  • #85
Redbelly98 said:
That's what I thought at first. Another possibility is that some scandal is about to break, or would have broken had she stayed in office.

I'd be surprised if there was much scandal about to break, unless it was scandal not discovered that would have occurred before her selection by McCain. It would be so unbelievably Blagoivich, if she would have engaged in anything untoward, in the full glare of the attention that has surrounded her since the election.
 
  • #86
Really?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...askans/?page=3

I think the term "engineer" is a little misleading though, as Todd Palin does not have a college degree. He has worked for about eighteen years on oil slopes. I know he was going to move into a position of management in the company but because of his wife's new job as Governor (at the time), he avoided taking the job to avoid a conflict of interest.

But I do not think he is an engineer in terms of the way this website would regard it. He was/is more a form of a supervisor at most.

It seems like he was an engineer, but took a demotion when Palin became governor. Still, the job title is purely semantics; the important point is the amount of money they earn (and this is before all the publicity!)

True.

Again, really?

http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.ehb.2005.05.003

Yes really, that's what one would think. I didn't say that's what it is. Obesity tends to be more prevalant in the poorer from what I have seen personally, because they are lazier and do not take care of themselves. One could always mention the "working poor" who are not lazy, but these people generally rise out of poverty within time, unless they make very poor decisions.

Otherwise, from a strict time point-of-view, it's the person working the 60+ hour job sitting on their butt who should be fatter, not the person working the 9 to 5.

Obesity otherwise is mostly a result of laziness and bad appetite on the part of Americans.

Finally.. really?

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html

$250,000 is a lot greater than $50,740. Thus, compared to the rest of the population, the Palins are wealthy.

No they are not. They are simply, when salaries are combined, among the highest-paid. That doesn't make them wealthy by any means. In some areas of the country, $250K is standard middle-class living. Try living in Manhattan and see how far $250K takes you.

Think of it this way. Who are the richest 5% of people on Earth? All 300 million Americans.

Whether you make $20K or $200K or $2 million a year or whatever as an American, you are among the richest 5% of the global population.

But we can see that there are some huge disparities still within that 5%! As you said, a person making $250K is still making a lot more than someone making say $50K.

But $250K just puts one into around the highest-earning 5% of the American population I believe, and within that 5%, there are also huge disparities.

"Wealthy" is an arbitrary term, but on average, it means net worth around at least $5 million to $10 million and income of maybe around at least $500K a year. That kind of money just barely breaks the mark of where someone can be considered "rich" or "wealthy."

"The wealthy" are those earning in the millions each year with millions of dollars in net worth. Earning $250K a year is small potatoes and nowhere near wealthy. You aren't in the poorhouse on a combined income of $250K but you are nowhere near wealthy on that either.

$250K is just the upper-echelon of the middle-class.

Yes, that is what I also thought at first. But then again, it might have just been the stress of the job and the inability to wade through tough political battles. I have noticed that she, on many occasions, runs away from a tough battle, plays the blame game numerous times, despite having a possibly faked external aura of self confidence and brashness.

What "tough battles" has she "run away" from (aside from her resignation as governor)? When does she "play the blame game?"
 
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  • #87
There seems to be about 20% to 30% of Americans who are very conservative and who don't like to be part of a more moderate Republican Party. Palin could be a suitable person to lead such a Conservative Party.
 
  • #88
WheelsRCool said:
No they are not. They are simply, when salaries are combined, among the highest-paid. That doesn't make them wealthy by any means.

You must just have some weird politician definition of wealth!

In some areas of the country, $250K is standard middle-class living. Try living in Manhattan and see how far $250K takes you.

I live in London, the second most expensive city to live in in the world (note that New York is 15th). I earn nothing like $250k, however still manage to live quite easily. You are, once again, making up comments that have no relation to the truth!

Think of it this way. Who are the richest 5% of people on Earth? All 300 million Americans.

Are you living in some sort of naive bizarro-world? There countries other than the United States in the world, you know... all the other billions of people in the world are not living in poverty!

Whether you make $20K or $200K or $2 million a year or whatever as an American, you are among the richest 5% of the global population.

Sorry, but this is even more laughable than all the other nonsense you've been stating. Do you have your own America-only internet, and lack of international news, or do you just choose to be so ignorant?


"Wealthy" is an arbitrary term, but on average, it means net worth around at least $5 million to $10 million and income of maybe around at least $500K a year. That kind of money just barely breaks the mark of where someone can be considered "rich" or "wealthy."

Whatever; I'm bored of you and your semantics now.

It seems to me that you are sat with a huge silver spoon in your mouth which has been there since birth, in your castle in a place where a wage of $250k is not classed as wealthy. I hope you wave to the people in the slums when you fly in your helicopter over them.
 
  • #89
You must just have some weird politician definition of wealth!

Wealthy is when you can pretty much afford to live the "high-life" comfortably. $250K won't do it, not by a long shot.

I live in London, the second most expensive city to live in in the world (note that New York is 15th). I earn nothing like $250k, however still manage to live quite easily. You are, once again, making up comments that have no relation to the truth!

What part (although not that I am familiar with London's areas, aside from Kensington)? Because $250K in a place like Manhattan isn't going to get you very far. In Brooklyn perhaps, or Queens, but not Manhattan.

Are you living in some sort of naive bizarro-world? There countries other than the United States in the world, you know... all the other billions of people in the world are not living in poverty!

The United States is the richest 5% of the global population. Haven't you ever heard the complaints from the Left that the U.S. are 5% of the world population yet use 25% of the resources (they forget how much wealth America produces).

Now yes, on a PER CAPITA basis, America isn't the wealthiest...Switzerland, the Cayman Islands, Monaco, and so forth, are richer. But as an overall segment of the global population and country, America is the richest.

Europe and the Westernized Asian countries still make up relatively small portions of the global population.

Most of the world population lives in poverty, or what we in our richer countries would define as poverty. Even the so-called "rich" European nations have economies that by the American standard, suck, along with taxes and gas prices Americans would scream bloody murder about.

Sorry, but this is even more laughable than all the other nonsense you've been stating. Do you have your own America-only internet, and lack of international news, or do you just choose to be so ignorant?

What is "America-centric" about saying America is the richest 5%? We are 300 million people out of a six billion global population (that's 5%), with a $12 to $13 TRILLION economy. Our largest corporations are bigger money-wise than most Third World economies.

WE ARE THE WEALTHIEST 5% ON THE PLANET. We put more money into our military than most other countries COMBINED and it still is "only" about 3% to 5% of our GDP.

Our currency is the gold standard of the world (right now anyway, it seems this might change eventually due to our current tanking economy and if our new President and Congress spends us into oblivion).

There is nothing "American-centric" about this.

Whatever; I'm bored of you and your semantics now.

It seems to me that you are sat with a huge silver spoon in your mouth which has been there since birth, in your castle in a place where a wage of $250k is not classed as wealthy. I hope you wave to the people in the slums when you fly in your helicopter over them.

$250K is not wealthy. It's just upper-earning middle-class.

As for semantics, you're the one who claims that "wealth" automatically equals fitness, which is silly. If that was the case, all celebrities would instantly be fit and none would have weight problems as many do.

AMERICA AS A NATION would be a nation of ultra-fit people! Instead we're a nation of fatties (and then we complain about high healthcare costs).

Palin's making $250K combined isn't what makes her and her husband fit, it's that she gets up and runs each day and he works on pipelines, races snow machines, and so forth, you know, EXERCISE. She in particular, you don't have five children and maintain a good build at 45 years of age as a woman unless you exercise all the time (and eat healthy I'm sure as well).

There are plenty of hardworking people who work long hours in an office who are highly-paid, but are overweight and out-of-shape who would say, "You want me to EXERCISE!? YOU TRY WORKING 60+ HOURS EACH WEEK AND HAVING TO DEAL WITH FAMILY AND BILLS AND THEN FIND TIME TO EXERCISE!"

Poor, rich, whatever, the only way to be fit is to eat healthy and exercise properly.

And no I was not born with any silver spoon in my mouth, I know what poverty is, up until recently I was in a trailer with lack of heat in the winter time, windows so lousy I had to put plastic on them with duct tape, holes in the floor, constant fear of waterpipes freezing in the winter, a toilet not even screwed onto the floor, half the electrical wiring in the place fried, I could go on.
 
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  • #90
BobG said:
I doubt she's on the losing side of a split within the Republican Party.
...

The fact that all three tried to tap into the religious fundamentalist core just emphasizes which side is on the winning side in the Republican Party split.

There's another off year Congressional election to get through, and you might see what really matters in elections - the economy. If we're still in a recession, Democrats will get hammered and religious conservatives will take it as evidence that they can succeed without any moderates.

Come 2012, we'll see which side was on the winning side of the Republican split. If Romney runs as the pre-2008 Romney and Huckabee emphasizes his record in Arkansas instead of running as an ex-preacher, then the economic conservatives (Romney) or moderates (Huckabee) will have won. If all three candidates run as religious conservatives again, then I think you can conclude the Republican Party is on its way to third party status - in that case, Palin will be as good as any other candidate likely to win the Republican nomination.

Ivan Seeking said:
You keep ignoring the results of the election.

My comment was directed towards which side wins the battle within the Republican Party, not that a party of social conservatives would win the national battle for the electorate in the long term.

An extreme right Republican Party is a mixed bag. Constantly being hammered in Congress would drive the party out of existence.

If the Republican Party can maintain a significant representation in Congress (at least 41 Senators, for example - they can't run 40 or less for many cycles), they'll win a Presidential election, eventually. If we're still stuck in an economic recession in 2012, Nixon could beat Obama (and Nixon's dead). Being a minority party limits the effectiveness of a President, but not overwhelmingly so unless the opposite party has such a large majority that it can override vetos at will. It at least affords a decent chance of getting a conservative Supreme Court justice, for example.

I don't think it's really a winning proposition for a political party since Republicans are clearly flirting with the possibility of irrelevance, but it's still an interesting idea. If you're a social conservative, it provides a better chance of victory than diluting your position before the nomination even takes place. Economic conservatives and moderates might be pretty irate at how the Bush Presidency turned out, but two or three decades of Alito and Roberts have to be pretty encouraging to some conservatives if they have visions of Roe v Wade being overturned, affirmative action ending, etc.

The same could be said of the extreme in either political party. As frustrating as the 1992 election and 2000 election may have been (to Republicans in the first and Democrats in the second), being willing to throw an election to the opposing party is a very powerful tactic to make sure the extreme factions aren't ignored in future nomination battles. Different tactic, but same principal.

In fact, I think driving moderates (RINOs) out of the Republican Party has worked out a lot better for social conservatives than third party defections historically have. Sometimes, the best you can achieve is short term success, so go for the gusto and get as much out of it as you can, when you can.
 

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